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Re: [wlug] Parliamentary Questions
by Michael Honeyfield 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

> Hi all, > > After Rodney Hide spoke to us last year, he suggested that our most > effective tool for advocacy would be to formulate a list of > parliamentary questions. A good explanation of the usefulness of these > can be found here: > > http://www.act.org.nz/question.jsp > > Mr. Hide has offered to put our questions forward, but at the moment > they are a tad incoherent. Could we have some keen volunteers to edit > http://www.wlug.org.nz/ParliamentaryQuestions? > > Be brutal. Don't worry about retaining comments - they are retained in > the wiki's revision history. I'd really like to submit these in "ready > to ask" form to Mr. Hide by the end of this month. > > Please note: The WLUG has no political affiliation with ACT or any > other political party, but we know a useful tool when we see one. :) > Please don't submit these questions yourself, as we would like them to > all be submitted together from a single point of contact to maximise > their efficiency. > > Thanks, > > Greig McGill > El Presidente. Will wlug be working with NZOSS on submitting these or will wlug do it independent of them? Mike

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PalmyLUG
by John Eyres 03 Apr '05

03 Apr '05

Yes, we've started a Palmerston North LUG -1st meet 24th March went well with 15 people attending, site under construction viewble at lug.spinningplanet.co.nz mailing list on the way considering sending delegation of gentoo cult members to next wlug

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 27 Mar '05

27 Mar '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, Waikato University Time: 7pm (note! earlier time) PerryLorier on http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv6, why it's needed, what it solves, how it differs from http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv4, and why http://www.wlug.org.nz/WLUG should be supporting its use. ---- See also OldMeetingTopics.

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, Waikato University Time: 7pm (note! earlier time) PerryLorier on http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv6, why it's needed, what it solves, how it differs from http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv4, and why http://www.wlug.org.nz/WLUG should be supporting its use. ---- See also OldMeetingTopics.

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Committee meeting minutes
by Craig Box 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2005-03-23 Craig

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Patents
by Gavin Denby 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

The public comment period for proposed amendments to the Patents Act expired on March 11, “so a meeting is now the best way we have of communicating with the politicians and telling them what the issues are,” says NZOSS president Peter Harrison. Full story at: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/NL/9A6B2014750A3A95CC256FCA002B46C1 If the LUG or any person wishes to make a submission time is running out. Do our political contacts have any guidelines we can post for submissions on patents, esp with regard the NZ free trade agreements.

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Funding application
by Craig Box 21 Mar '05

21 Mar '05

>From time to time, the WLUG will apply for funding from community organisations such as Trust Waikato and the Sky City Trust. Funding applications need to be for a specific project, normally for the purchase of physical items, with a prepared budget, and not just for general expenses. If any members on the list have any suggestions of things that they would like to see the LUG apply for funding for, please contact me off list by 5pm tomorrow. Thanks, Craig

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 20 Mar '05

20 Mar '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Location: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB, Waikato University Time: 7pm (note! earlier time) PerryLorier on http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv6, why it's needed, what it solves, how it differs from http://www.wlug.org.nz/IPv4, and why http://www.wlug.org.nz/WLUG should be supporting its use. ---- See also OldMeetingTopics.

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Mozilla Foundation.
by Oliver Jones 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Hi Folks. I decided to donate some bucks to the Mozilla Foundation and in the process bought a Firefox/Thunderbird Guide & CD and a Firefox poster. I don't need them so I thought I'd donate them to the WLUG. Perhaps the poster can be displayed somewhere prominently at Waikato Uni in an effort to encourage Firefox adoption. Where do I send them? Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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UPS's for sale, work with Linux, BSD, etc.
by Oliver Jones 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

Hi Folks. As we are Linux types we tend to leave out PC's and servers on all the time. As such it is good to have UPS power protection. Historically I've always used SOLA (now Powerware) gear. I have a few used SOLA UPS's for sale. I have an older SOLA 320/700VA device for sale for $80. A newer SOLA 325/750VA for $250 and a SOLA 520/1800VA Rackmount for $970. The 520/1800VA device is only about 14 months old and in excellent condition. I also have a SOLA 325/1000VA device but I think its battery has died. I need to run some tests. The outcome of those tests will dictate price. Batteries can be easily sourced from the NZ distributor in Auckland. These are all good quality devices with online buck and boost to keep the power running smoothly into protected equipment. The 700VA & 750VA devices will keep a workstation/server running for about 30 to 45 minutes on battery depending on the equipments current draw. The Rackmount unit will keep a few power hungry servers running for about the same time. Less power hungry devices will probably last about 1.5 hours on it. All of the UPS devices can be monitored via their included serial cables and they come with monitoring software for a variety of OSs including Linux and BSD. Though the included Unix software isn't as good as NUT (www.networkupstools.org) I actually managed to get SOLA to provide protocol documentation of the UPSs to the NUT project which was nice. The 520 also has an SNMP expansion card bay. No need to replace power cords either like you do with some APC gear. All the UPS's have four standard AU/NZ power plugs on the back. If anyone needs a good Linux/BSD compatible UPS let me know. Note that all prices include GST but exclude shipping. Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 15 Mar '05

15 Mar '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting To have something added to the agenda for this meeting, please email secretary @ wlug.org.nz. Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # Reply To Munging on the mailing list # General business

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Erics Ultimate Solitare
by Oliver Jones 10 Mar '05

10 Mar '05

I have a copy of Eric's Ultimate Solitaire to give away. Lucky person gets to pay the postage... ;) Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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WLUG server down because of tunnel fire?
by Ian McDonald 09 Mar '05

09 Mar '05

I am guessing that this is the reason it is not up still? Can anybody confirm.

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Effective advocacy.
by Greig McGill 08 Mar '05

08 Mar '05

Hi WLUGers. I realise, as displayed at the last LUG meeting, that most of you read slashdot. :) Even so, I'd like to ensure that all of you have read the O'Reilly article on effective advocacy. Advocacy is something that is very important to me, and our WLUG Charter also lists it as one of the core goals of our group. http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/03/03/advocacy.html I think we have been doing well lately to be taken reasonably seriously as a LUG, and I'd like to continue this trend. One thing which I perceive to be damaging to our credibility is people at meetings asking "questions" which are little more than excuses to rant about how Microsoft ate their baby/killed their cat/defiled their church/whatever. I don't like Microsoft. I've never liked them, even before they adopted their extremely aggressive and monopolistic business practices. That said, calling them evil, and frothing at the mouth to people who can't do anything about it, does absolutely nothing to help the situation. It only serves to weaken the perception of the WLUG as a credible entity. Jokes are fine. I like jokes. Just remember that nobody likes to listen to a zealot (think of the mad bible bashers in Garden Place...), and "being that guy" will never get you taken seriously. This is as close to official as I like to get, so please take it on board. Your funloving, but slightly frustrated President, Greig McGill.

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Presenting at this meeting is Robert O'Callahan (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) a member of the Ximian] desktop http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux group at http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell, responsible for http://www.wlug.org.nz/Mozilla/http://www.wlug.org.nz/Firefox ([MozillaFirefox) browser development and the integration of Firefox into Novell's Linux desktop product. The meeting will start at 7:30pm in the LITB (http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB) room B.G.02 at WaikatoUniversity. Robert did his undergraduate study at the University of Auckland and has a PhD] from http://www.wlug.org.nz/Carnegie Mellon ([CMU) university. He has also previously worked at IBM Research. He made it known that he wanted a full time job working on Mozilla that he could do from New Zealand, and Novell hired him for their desktop team to work fulltime in Auckland on Mozilla improvements, including multi-column layout for web pages and improved SVG (scalable vector graphics) support. * Robert's blog (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) * An article on Ben Goodger and Robert O'Callahan from the NZ Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=11&ObjectID=10010075) Thanks to Douglas Harvey of the Systems & Technology Group at IBM] New Zealand and Chris Penney of http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell for arranging this meeting. Beer and pizza will be provided compliments of [Value Added Distributors (http://www.vad.co.nz/) the principal distributor for IBM iSeries and pSeries equipment in New Zealand.

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RE: [wlug] WLUG Meeting was last night
by David Nicholls 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

Its not just that, it's users having to wade through copious quantities of emails. I get enough without getting duplicates! All I can say is thank god for filtering. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Lawson [mailto:daniel(a)meta.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2005 11:53 am Subject: Re: [wlug] WLUG Meeting was last night Just to follow this point up, this point seems like it might have a bigger impact if we still lived in the days where you were changed $30/MB for email. Data is basically flatrate, so sending lots of emails doesn't matter any more. However, spam and virus scanning isn't cheap. I've seen threads on mailing lists CC'd to 6 lists members and the list itself. That's another 6 passes through spam and virus scanning processes. Unless spamassassin etc are smart enough to do duplicate suppression themselves - anyone have any idea if that's the case? _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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ubuntu cds
by David Nicholls 02 Mar '05

02 Mar '05

hi guys, my official ubuntu cds finally arrived the other day (i have a number of x86 32bit and about 5 64bit vers). if anyone wants a set, just drop me a line to organise pickup. ih and for those mac fans i also have 1 ppc version... i would like to keep this one though, so i am quite happy to copy it. finally, the x86 32 bit packages come with both a live cd & an install cd. the 64 bit version only comes with a single install cd. cheers... David Nicholls Computer Support Consultant School of Science & Engineering/Dept of Chemistry The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

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Hypervisor and IBM's open source
by Ian McDonald 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

Found the article mentioned last night - was as CNet not Slashdot... It's not the full Hypervisor - parts of it IBM throws weight behind multi-OS push By Stephen Shankland http://news.com.com/IBM+throws+weight+behind+multi-OS+push/2100-1016_3-5588… Story last modified Thu Feb 24 04:00:00 PST 2005 IBM has quietly added a new option to the suddenly vogue market for "hypervisor" software that lets a computer run multiple operating systems simultaneously, CNET News.com has learned. But Big Blue's efforts aren't likely to squash a potential rival just flexing its muscles. IBM has released source code for its Research Hypervisor, or rHype, on its Web site, letting anyone examine the approach of a company renowned for its expertise in the field. One distinguishing feature: rHype works with multiple processor varieties, including IBM's Power family, widely used x86 chips such as Intel's Xeon, and the new Cell microprocessor codeveloped by IBM, Sony and Toshiba. News.context What's new: Big Blue quietly enters the noisy market for "hypervisor" software, which lets a computer run multiple operating systems simultaneously. Bottom line: Considering its open-source nature and IBM's actions so far, rHype is more likely to be a help than a hindrance to a competing project called Xen. More stories on hypervisor The project potentially competes with two commercial products--Microsoft's Virtual Server and EMC's VMware--and with the open-source Xen software that has attracted support from numerous computing heavyweights. But given rHype's open-source nature and IBM's actions so far, rHype is more likely to be a help than a hindrance to Xen. Specifically, it could help Xen move from its current base of x86 chips to IBM's Power. "We've spent quite some time talking to its authors," Xen founder Ian Pratt said. "Now that the rHype code is open source, it's a great starting point for a port of Xen to Power." The rHype software may be incorporated directly into Xen because both packages are governed by the General Public License (GPL), Pratt said. And IBM isn't shying away: Its programmers have been contributing to the Xen project. It makes sense for IBM to help Xen, said Charles King, principal analyst of Pund-IT Research. "It sounds like a natural point of intersection, given IBM's natural interest in open source and in virtualization," King said. IBM is the 800-pound gorilla when it comes to hypervisor software, which it has supported for decades on its mainframes and has brought to its Power-based Unix servers. But for x86 servers, IBM chose a partnership with VMware rather than bring its own technology to market. IBM declined to comment on most details of rHype. However, Tom Bradicich, chief technology officer for IBM's Intel-based xSeries server line, said Tuesday that it's not likely IBM will turn rHype into a product. "It's in the realm of the possible, but we don't foresee it at this time," Bradicich said. IBM has used rHype to aid three internal projects. One is sHype, the Secure Hypervisor project to build barriers between different virtual machines. Another is validating features of the Cell processor, which has nine separate processing cores. And a third is an IBM supercomputing project called PERCS (Productive, Easy-to-use, Reliable Computing System). Hypervisor hype A hypervisor--a term IBM is trying to trademark--is basic software that runs atop the processor, allocating resources such as processing power, memory and network links. By creating virtual connections to these resources--"virtualizing" them--the hypervisor provides a flexible foundation that can let a computer run multiple operating systems and thus multiple tasks more efficiently. Juggling numerous tasks has long been a useful ability for corporate computing centers. Now such abilities are increasingly useful at home as computer networks get more complex and useful, King said. "It's fascinating to me that something that's been seen as a benefit for enterprise data centers is percolating its way down into the set-top box," King said. The rHype software virtualizes only some resources, which makes it fall into the same "paravirtualization" category as the Xen hypervisor project. IBM developed security software called sHype on the rHype software, but in January it pledged to create a version that will work with Xen. Among features IBM touts with rHype: • A design that can handle sophisticated memory tasks and that works well with high-speed cache memory. • Support for IBM's open-source K42 operating system for multiprocessor servers. • The ability to run on several processor simulators, including the "Mambo" simulator of IBM's PowerPC 970 family of processors, the general-purpose QEMU simulator and the BOCHS x86 simulator. rHype also has run on VMware. • Interfaces to use the software on servers with multiple processors and with multithreaded processors--those that can execute multiple simultaneous instruction sequences. Divide and conquer Xen and rHype contrast with virtual machine software such as VMware and Virtual Server, which employ full virtualization. That means an operating system doesn't need to be modified, as generally is the case with paravirtualization today, but runs more slowly. There are other ways of dividing a system so it can run multiple operating systems. Some higher-end IBM Intel servers have hardware-based partitions. And Linux-Vserver, SW-soft's Virtuozzo and Solaris containers divides a single instance of an operating system so it appears that separate users have their own copies. In addition to the rHype project, IBM has a commercial hypervisor running on machines that use its Power processors. Because rHype uses the same interfaces as the commercial hypervisor, Linux doesn't have to be modified to run on an rHype-Power foundation. With rHype on x86 chips, Linux must be modified to work. IBM isn't the only company interested in helping Xen grow beyond x86 servers. Hewlett-Packard programmers have been working on Xen for computers using Intel's Itanium 2 processor. Although IBM is sharing the source code underlying the rHype project, it currently isn't accepting modifications from outsiders.

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IBM opensources more apps
by Ian McDonald 28 Feb '05

28 Feb '05

As I mentioned last night at meeting... Can't find reference to Hypervisor here but will post if I find it.... IBM Helps Drive Open Source Development; New Resources Help Developers Build Skills around New Software Technologies Business Editors/Technology Writers SOMERS, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 25, 2005--IBM today contributed more than 30 open source projects to SourceForge.net and launched new online skills-building programs to spur innovation, collaboration and development around emerging open source projects. Additionally, IBM today announced it is extending support for developers building Web applications using PHP, a popular open source Web development language. Through a new business partnership and new skill-building resources, IBM will help developers use PHP as part of their Web services and services oriented architectures (SOA). More than 30 IBM software projects will by hosted by SourceForge.net to give developers broader access to open source technologies. SourceForge.net, part of the OSTG Network, is the world's largest collaborative development site, with more than one million registered users and 96,000 projects. As a result, more developers can collaborate and build upon technologies spanning Java, Linux and wireless, fueling more innovation to drive next-generation software applications. The projects include IBM's Jikes(TM) software, a fast Java(TM) compiler that helps developers speed their development time, and the Life Science Identifier, which helps developers in healthcare build life sciences applications by automatically scanning networks for biologically significant data. With today's announcement IBM is also expanding its developerWorks Web site, launching new skills-building resources to help developers more rapidly build solutions based on emerging open source technologies, such as PHP. IBM developerWorks (ibm.com/developerWorks) is IBM's growing online developer community with more than 4.5 million registered users. The site offers tools and education to help developers build and deploy applications across heterogeneous systems. In conjunction with the partnership announced today between IBM and Zend Technologies, IBM launched a new section on IBM developerWorks devoted to PHP. The new PHP section features technical articles, tutorials and forums to drive further skills and development of PHP, which currently accounts for more than 40 percent of the overall Web programming language market. IBM and Zend Technologies are working together to develop integrated software based on PHP using IBM's Cloudscape database. In August, IBM offered "Derby," a copy of Cloudscape to the Apache Software Foundation to spur more collaborative innovation for software application development. IBM and Zend Technologies plan to offer their integrated software to developers on IBM developerWorks in the second quarter of 2005. "The momentum of open source and its adoption by governments and businesses worldwide points to the increasingly critical role of the software developer within business," said Gina Poole, vice president of developer relations, IBM. "Organizations looking for innovative software applications to drive their business projects are looking for developers with the tools and skills of tomorrow - based on open technologies." Other resources on IBM developerWorks to help open source developers include: -- Open source special topic sections for a broad range of emerging open source projects such as Apache Derby, Eclipse, Globus, Linux and PHP, providing access to hundreds of technical articles, tutorials, forums and blogs -- Plug-ins, along with technical articles and demonstrations, to help developers streamline their Apache Derby database development leveraging the Eclipse environment, helping developers reap more value out of these growing open source projects -- The IBM Linux Software Evaluation Kit, with triple the amount of complimentary trial software available to developers looking to build, run, manage and deploy using IBM software running on Linux. For the first time, IBM Rational software development tools for Linux will be included. IBM Rational tools can help organizations more rapidly build applications on Linux. IBM has contributed more than 120 collaborative projects to the open source community, helping drive innovation with projects such as Eclipse, Derby and Globus. IBM also recently pledged 500 patents into a "patent commons" to help drive innovation and future software development. Beginning March 1, IBM will also launch a series of technical briefings to help developers migrate to and develop new applications on Linux. Part of IBM's developerWorks Live! Technical Briefings, the complimentary Linux briefings will run in Bangkok, Chicago, Kuala Lampur, Los Angeles, Manila, San Francisco, Washington DC and more. About OSTG, Inc. OSTG is the cornerstone of the Open Source movement and the leading online network for IT managers and development professionals. OSTG's technology-focused sites include Slashdot.org, SourceForge.net, ITManagersJournal.com, NewsForge.com, Linux.com and freshmeat.net. 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Newbie to the meetings
by Graham Lauder 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

Greetings All I'm Graham Lauder AKA Yorick or Yo New Zealand Marketing Contact for OpenOffice.org And I'd very much like to attend the next meeting. The Bot doesn't say where however, Would someone care to enlighten me Thanks and cheers Yo

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Presenting at this meeting is Robert O'Callahan (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) a member of the Ximian] desktop http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux group at http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell, responsible for http://www.wlug.org.nz/Mozilla/http://www.wlug.org.nz/Firefox ([MozillaFirefox) browser development and the integration of Firefox into Novell's Linux desktop product. Robert did his undergraduate study at the University of Auckland and has a PhD] from http://www.wlug.org.nz/Carnegie Mellon ([CMU) university. He has also previously worked at IBM Research. He made it known that he wanted a full time job working on Mozilla that he could do from New Zealand, and Novell hired him for their desktop team to work fulltime in Auckland on Mozilla improvements, including multi-column layout for web pages and improved SVG (scalable vector graphics) support. * Robert's blog (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) * An article on Ben Goodger and Robert O'Callahan from the NZ Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=11&ObjectID=10010075) Thanks to Douglas Harvey of the Systems & Technology Group at IBM] New Zealand and Chris Penney of http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell for arranging this meeting. Beer and pizza will be provided compliments of [Value Added Distributors (http://www.vad.co.nz/) the principal distributor for IBM iSeries and pSeries equipment in New Zealand.

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WLUG website appears to be down
by Ian McDonald 24 Feb '05

24 Feb '05

To whoever administers this: - can ping www.wlug.org.nz - http to www.wlug.org.nz, www2.wlug.org.nz, wlug.org.nz times out so suspect web server hanging or similar - coming in from Xtra DSL in case network issue

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hard Drives
by Gun Caundle 20 Feb '05

20 Feb '05

I cant install XP on a hard drive that had Linux (Centos 3) previously installed. Any suggestions would be appreciated

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WLUG Meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder bot 20 Feb '05

20 Feb '05

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Presenting at this meeting is Robert O'Callahan (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) a member of the Ximian] desktop http://www.wlug.org.nz/Linux group at http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell, responsible for http://www.wlug.org.nz/Mozilla/http://www.wlug.org.nz/Firefox ([MozillaFirefox) browser development and the integration of Firefox into Novell's Linux desktop product. Robert did his undergraduate study at the University of Auckland and has a PhD] from http://www.wlug.org.nz/Carnegie Mellon ([CMU) university. He has also previously worked at IBM Research. He made it known that he wanted a full time job working on Mozilla that he could do from New Zealand, and Novell hired him for their desktop team to work fulltime in Auckland on Mozilla improvements, including multi-column layout for web pages and improved SVG (scalable vector graphics) support. * Robert's blog (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/) * An article on Ben Goodger and Robert O'Callahan from the NZ Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=11&ObjectID=10010075) Thanks to Douglas Harvey of the Systems & Technology Group at IBM] New Zealand and Chris Penney of http://www.wlug.org.nz/Novell for arranging this meeting. Beer and pizza will be provided compliments of [Value Added Distributors (http://www.vad.co.nz/) the principal distributor for IBM iSeries and pSeries equipment in New Zealand.

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free technical book...
by Nigel Nguyen 18 Feb '05

18 Feb '05

I got this piece of information from my usergroup back home. Could helpful for us ? <quote> The Feb 05 issue of Linux Format (LF) has an announcement that they will ship a box of Linux technical books (and some software) to LUGs that send information about themselves to LF - and LF will include information about the LUG in a future magazine - the offer is open to LUGs overseas. They are interested in about 200 words on the user group, and if possible include a photo of a meeting or event (kind of hard to do with a virtual group though). LF will also announce future events by the LUGs in future editions of the magazine, if they receive the information early enough. The offer for free technical documentation is good while the books last. On a personal note, I receive Linux Magazine and Linux Format each month (here in Hanoi) and each issue includes a DVD of current Linux software. If anyone is interested, I would be glad to share copies of the Linux DVDs and CDs that I have. The e-mail contact for the Linux Magazine offer is lxf.lugs(a)futurenet.co.uk LeRoy Duvall lduvall(a)nwlink.com +091 204 1920 </quote> -- Ask not what the computer can do for you Ask what you can do with your computer.

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Hula.
by Oliver Jones 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

Anyone had any experience with Hula (www.hula-project.org) It looks like it could be a "very good thing". Novell are doing some good things... They seem to be embracing the whole Open Source idea really well. They're not even coming up with their own esoteric licenses. Hula is LGPL/MPL.... Regards -- Oliver Jones » Roving Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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Fedora Core 3, 2.6.10-1.766
by michael.and.colleen.mcdonald＠xtra.co.nz 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

Anyone else had problems with this update? Following last night's update to this version, GRUB no longer boots. Screen says "GRUB" and goes no further. GRUB is on my slave disk, and I normally boot via Windows loader on master. I suspect that the boot sector on the slave drive has been modified ... the windows loader runs a copy of the that sector (copied following the upgrade to Fedora Core 2). This is the first time I've had this problem after an update. Contents of boot partition ... root(a)ttyp0[hdb1]# ls -1 System.map System.map-2.6.10-1.737_FC3 System.map-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 System.map-2.6.10-1.760_FC3 System.map-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 System.map-2.6.9-1.667 System.map-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 System.map-2.6.9-1.724_FC3 config-2.6.10-1.737_FC3 config-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 config-2.6.10-1.760_FC3 config-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 config-2.6.9-1.667 config-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 config-2.6.9-1.724_FC3 grub initrd-2.6.10-1.737_FC3.img initrd-2.6.10-1.741_FC3.img initrd-2.6.10-1.760_FC3.img initrd-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.img initrd-2.6.9-1.667.img initrd-2.6.9-1.681_FC3.img initrd-2.6.9-1.724_FC3.img kernel.h lost+found vmlinuz vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.737_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.741_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.760_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.681_FC3 vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.724_FC3 Michael

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Fwd: Fedora Core 3 Update: kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3
by Ian McDonald 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

Here is the release information for that kernel - note the bit about hanging!! It does mention it for SCSI but I note a couple of things: - Serial ATA uses SCSI code in some instances - 2.6.11 release candidate 4 has support for blacklisting some problematic Serial ATA drives - mostly Seagates... If you are running Serial ATA and your new drive is a Seagate then this may be the problem . ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dave Jones <davej(a)redhat.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:38:13 -0500 Subject: Fedora Core 3 Update: kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3 To: fedora-announce-list(a)redhat.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Update Notification FEDORA-2005-142 2005-02-15 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Product : Fedora Core 3 Name : kernel Version : 2.6.10 Release : 1.766_FC3 Summary : The Linux kernel (the core of the Linux operating system) Description : The kernel package contains the Linux kernel (vmlinuz), the core of any Linux operating system. The kernel handles the basic functions of the operating system: memory allocation, process allocation, device input and output, etc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- * Wed Feb 09 2005 Dave Jones <davej(a)redhat.com> - Backport some exec-shield fixes from devel/ branch. - Scan all SCSI LUNs by default. Theoretically, some devices may hang when being probed, though there should be few enough of these that we can blacklist them instead of having to whitelist every other device on the planet. * Tue Feb 08 2005 Dave Jones <davej(a)redhat.com> - Use both old-style and new-style for USB initialisation. * Mon Feb 07 2005 Dave Jones <davej(a)redhat.com> [2.6.10-1.762_FC3, 2.6.10-1.13_FC2] - Update to 2.6.10-ac12 --------------------------------------------------------------------- This update can be downloaded from: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/updates/3/ 9a199e9b5ea398be70eefdbaa7d44ad9 SRPMS/kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.src.rpm a74a341f850ec8c42b7a0ff6d7da4558 x86_64/kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.x86_64.rpm 1bd4b68e82e2d166f1e9ab39100bafd7 x86_64/kernel-smp-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.x86_64.rpm 5cd961d5d3530db2fe30a0e6add85152 x86_64/debug/kernel-debuginfo-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.x86_64.rpm b143299deae186212d26a48ae78d1145 x86_64/kernel-doc-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.noarch.rpm 44b7cc733539619815020eae8b61062a i386/kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i586.rpm 65057eb315149d6657e42089c1af8a00 i386/kernel-smp-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i586.rpm c5100f401158541766076dfa92389fe0 i386/debug/kernel-debuginfo-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i586.rpm 6f034a6e59f1009b6a869303f7f3d4bf i386/kernel-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i686.rpm 63cc52fd4998fe49b7d989886754e5bd i386/kernel-smp-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i686.rpm 9a423b5e2afff92813947b126fe5749d i386/debug/kernel-debuginfo-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.i686.rpm b143299deae186212d26a48ae78d1145 i386/kernel-doc-2.6.10-1.766_FC3.noarch.rpm This update can also be installed with the Update Agent; you can launch the Update Agent with the 'up2date' command. --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list(a)redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list

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Great Release Day
by Craig Box 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 released today; see http://www.redhat.com/promo/rhel/apac if you're interested in going to their NZ launch on March 2 in Auckland. CentOS-4 RC1 is due later today :) Novell have also released Hula (http://www.hula-project.org/) an open source offshoot of Novell's NetMail with calendering added on. It looks like the missing Exchange killer that we've all been waiting for. Craig

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Upcoming WLUG committee meeting (1 week today)
by Meeting Reminder bot 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

As per the WLUG charter, please note that there is a WLUG executive committee meeting one week from today. If you wish to get an item on the agenda for this meeting, please email it to secretary(a)wlug.org.nz. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WLUG Committee Meeting 23-02-2005 Provisional agenda: # Minutes from previous meeting # Matters arising # Correspondence # Treasurers report # Free Software Foundation donations* # General business ~* Gun Caundle writes: ''Something I thought about when I read up on the FSF project was that because it relies on donations, perhaps WLUG should be contributing. I would be happy to pay an extra $10 on the sub for a donation. Would you suggest it at a committee meeting.''

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(no subject)
by Troy Anthony Leslie Dean 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Hi I'm trying to set up a pop server using qmail and vpopmail on my gentoo box. I've never set up a mail server before so I followed the howto on the gentoo home page. After setting up qmail I sent test emails and was able to retrieve them with mutt, I then set up vpopmail as per the instructions and then tested using kmail and got the following error - Could not read file The server said: "Can't open the message file - it's gone!". The status bar says there are 11 messages and this number increases to correspond with the number of test emails i send, but i am unable to view the messages. Anyone got any ideas what could be up?? I have emailed the writer of the how to and will post any reply I get Troy

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Degree character
by Lindsay 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

I cant get a degree character in Evolution Mail in Ubuntu. I guess Evolution is on other distro's too, so does anyone have an idea? In WinXP it was Alt+0186 or select a Font in Character Map. But I'm afraid Character Map in Ubuntu in all Fonts seems to give only A-Z 0-9. Linz

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Old PC
by Lindsay 13 Feb '05

13 Feb '05

Craig, Finally got around to using the old PC I picked up - and again thanks. It booted up nicely and I cleaned up the HDD, taking off all the legal programs a student had obviously used it for. Did a defrag and planned to boot up again later to partition and so on, and Ubuntu. On reboot, everything was dead. I don't know, maybe power-pack died or something. A technician friend is coming up to stay in a couple of weeks from Wellington, so we are going have a gander at it them. He is going to put Ubuntu on his Win98 machine at the same time. Cheers, Lindsay R

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Exim Conference and Tutorial
by Craig Box 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

Hi everyone, Received this in the 'mail. I suspect that none of you will be able to attend (except perhaps Stuart Yeates), but owing to the generosity of Philip Hazel in his recent presentation we owe UIT a favour. :) Craig Niall Mansfield wrote: > Hi, > > We're organizing a Conference about the Exim mail server, > in conjunction with the UKUUG. The conference takes place > 25/26-Feb-2005 in Birmingham, UK. All the important Exim > people are speaking. > > It would be great if you could publicize it to your group. The full > programme is at: > http://uit.co.uk/exim-conference/index.htm#programme > > Thanks, > Niall > > tel: +44 1223 302 041 > UIT Cambridge

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Not getting mail from non-default ISP's-newbie question
by Lindsay 06 Feb '05

06 Feb '05

I am connected to my default ISP by DSL and all is ok there. I cannot however receive mail from my other ISP's via the DSL as I could through Windows. I think it is something to do with the settings in Tools, Settings, Mail Accounts, Edit, Receiving Mail, Authenitication Type (which in Windows was Password). There seems to be no place where I can enter or edit individual ISP passwords. How is that done please. Linz

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!Special meeting: "Exim and PCRE: How free software hijacked my life" The WaikatoLinuxUsersGroup are pleased to announce that Philip Hazel, primary author of the [Exim] mail transfer agent and the pcre(7) library, will be presenting an open talk to its members and guests on Tuesday, 1 February. The talk is entitled "Exim and PCRE: How free software hijacked my life". Philip will present a non-technical talk on the history of the Exim and PCRE software projects, how they got started, where they are now, and where they are currently going. The meeting will start at 7:30pm, in the [LitB] building at WaikatoUniversity. All are welcome. Tea/coffee/biscuits/juice will be provided afterwards. Thanks to Philip Hazel for agreeing to take the time to present this meeting, to the [NZNOG] conference for sponsoring Philip's trip to NZ and to Jamie Curtis for organising the meeting. !About the presenter Philip Hazel grew up in South Africa. He has a PhD in applied mathematics, and has spent the last 30 years writing general-purpose software for the Computing Service at the University of Cambridge in England. Some major projects were text editors and text formatters for use on an IBM mainframe system. Since moving from the mainframe to Unix around 1990, he has become more and more involved with email. This lead to his starting to develop Exim in 1995, and the PCRE regular expression library two years later. These open source projects have both turned out to be larger and more successful that expected. Outside interests include classical music (as a choral singer and late convert to viola playing), music typsetting, working backstage in amateur theatre, and finding nice places to go walking, preferably not as flat as Cambridgeshire. Philip is married, and has three grown-up sons.

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reminder: extra meeting Tue 1st Feb - Philip Hazel
by John R. McPherson 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

Reminder - we have an extra WLUG meeting with a guest from the free software community. Details below. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Waikato Linux Users Group are pleased to announce that Philip Hazel, primary author of the Exim mail transfer agent and the PCRE library, will be presenting an open talk to its members and guests on Tuesday, 1st February. The talk is entitled "Exim and PCRE: How free software hijacked my life" [1]. Philip will present a non-technical talk on the history of the Exim and PCRE software projects, how they got started, where they are now, and where they are currently going. The meeting will start at 7:30pm, in LitB. Tea/coffee/biscuits/juice will be provided after the meeting. Thanks to Philip for agreeing to present this talk and the NZNOG conference for bringing Philip to NZ. [1] For more information on Philip and the meeting, see http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-02-01

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mandrake 10.1 offical cds
by Bo Wang 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

does someone from uni have a copy of mandrake 10.1 offical. blank cds for exchange. thanks bo

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Pipermail archives
by Craig Box 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

Hi everyone, I have a pipermail list archive that has never munged email addresses before. I want to munge email addresses on it retrospectively - I believe that the mailing list archives are in mbox format. Has anyone here ever done this, and if so, would a simple regex search/replace be enough? Thanks Craig

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newbie C++ query <iostream.h>
by Jodi Anderson 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

I've been teaching myself C++ lately and have been compiling at home on a RH6.1 box which has libstdc++ 2.9.0 The tutorials I have been using say to include <iostream.h> and cin/cout for standard input/output. I'm back at work after leave and am continuing my learnings now compiling on FC3 with libstdc++ 3.4.2 which gives me warnings about using depreciated headers with iostream.h. So I do what it says and remove the .h. This kicks back errors telling me that 'cin/cout is undeclared in function xyz A bit of a google and I find a page which says to add 'std::' to the cin/cout. I do this and things compiles fine. However I can't seem to find any info as to whether I need to add this all the time using the later libraries, or whether there is something extra I need to add/include in the source files So to cut a long story short my question is: do I continue using std::cin/cout? Or is there something else I need to include? Cheers Jodi -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEE7vXkRBADqdMs07cJuvCn02bG8FSR2iOW2V8M7KB0v5vnmkVI/DPsbbCxf dE23r/6ag1kYS8R8WvnYNUkjOoTKXslmLPFnq6+7Rp3K7g6X4dKyXknGThfai9KW kfdurINrR8FVKvIieidXNrAzl2ADquQ0WPtJCI1KbRb2kL3/tW6AumRS5wCg5fmM kW6Ml3RRfKGqSBRCOfVl7P0D/iCrQjXTskuT0mU/7ZJCQlP09PO5SDoe1vUX2tiB WlbmDnm4t46V1QATybUKM/V8J5rVOsigO/Nv/+9W8VC0KhBs8BR1lVT3jFy91pXr k9MhhjDjb6nhpeM771jdpOFYt+g+Lq/Q5MXKoAIxrEoycKM3JoI/yPwixoJWZlgx CdsvBADRnk/JAPNsWrjfCxLXcpE9b6x/pINncoCK+NKf16ONfw5ArkdFhJdWeJss nOvfEcBzY2RdJOJ5mQA8XnXoeGWrreT5TTUMsvoCF5/UJ1Zuuu0L8hOw0DKg9W0m QwbA7qkDZC9lMqCLmp6YreJydJAr2cp7U0p/d1Fpwd/lhH56LLQtSm9kaSBBbmRl cnNvbiAoV29yayBLZXkpIDxqb2RpQHdhaWthdG8uYWMubno+iF4EExECAB4FAkE7 vXkCGwMGCwkIBwMCAxUCAwMWAgECHgECF4AACgkQXzBud+/fPrsh2gCg4vHHtmbV R9rO8q5c+rbkAalwFmkAoJAAApKfPVHveqHJjVxNGfMXMlCAuQENBEE7vXsQBACf gUZY022ewIUzn3Zi4tcI7H2RXBEbYArtqXtuKdsMZm4N6TygINA4R5KsXF9xe3g7 VNioVVlgbA4h7L4xgt4TOjIxeZSEFuhQKAZ/isqGV9njeCJHhsX75jT0TcacQtNJ JST5IO70Ll6f1j8ZujZlNvUMz5lUTBIKR3XZ1+XlzwADBQQAg03LfdqvmDV1I9jD w7mNJfomW2FBE6Pt0h0oCocEecl4K86fySrjxzFoZW/NEcchvkWHG4Fd/Vr4fSRe aPfABzmFnJCN0YprOvv1cJHnckkSRpvGkHNmfcOH2mC+Tf/GGyi2n6wCe6bk/030 D/qYX3zBxR3SyHJvj5kRYBSt1ayISQQYEQIACQUCQTu9ewIbDAAKCRBfMG53798+ u7AWAKDhkU/ZlKYC+XkkHpAPs7Brf5c9PACgu9GBbiQW834G0lEHzEVYib1mgIM= =tr0I -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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Yeah for the HAL and D-Bus....
by Oliver Jones 28 Jan '05

28 Jan '05

Sometimes Linux does thinks properly... With little prodding, poking or frucking about. I like it when it does. It makes for a nice change. I'm at my brothers place in Sydney and I plugged in his Epson Stylus C43UX USB printer. I was expecting to have to go into the Printer Config app and hopefully find a driver that would work and hopefully get it going. I plugged it in, and within a couple seconds a window appeared on my screen asking me to choose a driver as the PC couldn't find an exact match. It had highlighted Epson Stylus C42UX driver (the closest match). I clicked OK as there wasn't a better alternative. I went into the RedHat/Fedora printer config applet and checked the driver settings. Nothing out of the ordinary. Cups has just successfully printed a test page. I'm quite impressed. This is what we want. Project Utopia is starting to make its mark. HAL and D-Bus are going to make Linux a much more user friendly system. Both Gnome and KDE will benefit too. The wait however, is intolerable. I want it now damn it... :) Now if I could only figure out why Evolution crashes whenever I try and add words to my dictionary. Regards Oliver Jones » Code Warrior oliver(a)deeperdesign.com » +64 (21) 41 2238 » www.deeperdesign.com

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RHCT
by Gun Caundle 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

My aim is to learn how to use Linux. I am working through the RHCT course content topic list, gettting the info from the RedHat 9 Bible. However I feel like a blind man tapping around with a white stick. I am using it because it is a structured course from which I can learn how to use Linux. Is anybody a RH Certified Technician or had experience with the training course for this qualification? I need some advice/guidance on what I should be doing.

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Special WLUG meeting: Exim author Philip Hazel, next Tuesday evening
by Craig Box 25 Jan '05

25 Jan '05

Hi everyone, The Waikato Linux Users Group are pleased to announce that Philip Hazel, primary author of the Exim mail transfer agent and the PCRE library, will be presenting an open talk to its members and guests on Tuesday, 1st February. The talk is entitled "Exim and PCRE: How free software hijacked my life" [1]. Philip will present a non-technical talk on the history of the Exim and PCRE software projects, how they got started, where they are now, and where they are currently going. If you use the Debian Linux distribution, chances are you've used Exim before! The meeting will start at 7:30pm, in the LitB[2] building at Waikato University. All are welcome, although non members are encouraged to make a gold coin donation. Tea/coffee/biscuits/juice will be provided after the meeting. Thanks to Jamie for arranging this meeting and the NZNOG conference for bringing Philip to NZ. Craig [1] For more information on Philip and the meeting, see http://www.wlug.org.nz/MeetingTopics.2005-02-01 [2] For a map, see http://www.wlug.org.nz/LitB

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Welcome back Hoiho & some administrivia
by Craig Box 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

Hi everyone, I'd just like to take a moment to thank everyone that helped, especially Perry and John, for their hard work in getting Hoiho rebuilt and back online in just two days. All services should now be back up, and if anything is broken please let us know. If you're having trouble logging in, it's probably because we've got passworded authentication disabled, and are only allowing SSH keys. Email sysadmin(a)wlug.org.nz if you need more information or need a key loaded on. The good news however is the wiki is back online! This means that the minutes from the last committee meeting are up at http://www.wlug.org.nz/CommitteeMeetingTopics.2005-01-19. Also, we are looking at formulating questions for Government departments, as per Rodney Hide's visit last year: please check out the http://www.wlug.org.nz/ParliamentaryQuestions page again, and lend a hand at tidying it up a little if you can. We will then run them past Rodney and await further instructions. Craig

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Like early banana's
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

I printed out some info this arvo on installing Ubuntu on a system with small RAM (32-64mb). I am afraid I dont even understand what the # & $ signs are used for. I am afraid I dont have time to go to the library and explore this info, so can I have some newbie help with this? When the # and $ are used, are they typed in as part of the command or do they represent something? _____________________________________________

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Hoiho
by Perry Lorier 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

We have reason to believe that the hoiho server (www.wlug.org.nz) may have been compromised. The machine has been shutdown pending an audit and probably a reinstall (to be on the safe side). The kiddie suspected of targetting this machine is well known for using password sniffers and other attacks to leverage accounts on other machines. If you have an account on hoiho (including a mail account) then I suggest that you change your password on any related machine immediately. Hopefully the kiddie hasn't successfully compromised the machine, but we're not taking any chances. The wiki will be offline until further notice. Sorry for any inconvenience, Perry Lorier

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WLUG meeting tomorrow (Monday)
by Craig Box 24 Jan '05

24 Jan '05

In the absence of a server: There will be a WLUG meeting tomorrow (Monday 24 Jan, 2005), at 7:30pm in LitB, at the University of Waikato. Park at Gate 1 and walk up past the satellite dishes. The topic is "Open Source Music Notation applications". John McPherson will give a presentation about Linux/OpenSource applications for music performers and composers. This will probably cover "mature" applications for things like sequencing, composition, and notation programs, as well as other things that are more "research-y" and not in widespread use, such as page-turning for performers, and optical music recognition.

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WLUG Meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder bot 23 Jan '05

23 Jan '05

The WLUG meeting is this evening ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!OpenSource Music Notation applications Monday 24 Jan, 2005%%% Time: 7:30pm%%% Location: [LitB] JohnMcPherson will give a presentation about Linux/OpenSource applications for music performers and composers. This will probably cover "mature" applications for things like sequencing, composition, and notation programs, as well as other things that are more "research-y" and not in widespread use, such as page-turning for performers, and [optical music recognition|http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jrm21/OMR/].

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WLUG Meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder bot 20 Jan '05

20 Jan '05

The WLUG meeting is on Monday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- !!OpenSource Music Notation applications Monday 24 Jan, 2005%%% Time: 7:30pm%%% Location: To Be Advised. JohnMcPherson will give a presentation about Linux/OpenSource applications for music performers and composers. This will probably cover "mature" applications for things like sequencing, composition, and notation programs, as well as other things that are more "research-y" and not in widespread use, such as page-turning for performers, and [optical music recognition|http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~jrm21/OMR/].

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Re: [wlug] FreeBSD
by GUO Zhijun 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

Hi, Simon Crosby I can bring you a copy. Hope it's not urgent. I'll at Hamilton 23 Jan. GUO Zhijun jamguo(a)sh163.net 2005-01-19 ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Crosby <simc(a)xtra.co.nz> To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: 2005-01-19 19:10:30 Subject: [wlug] FreeBSD >Hi, > >Is there anyone in the area I can get a copy of the FreeBSD 5.3 CDs >from? > >Simon Crosby > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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FreeBSD
by Simon Crosby 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

Hi, Is there anyone in the area I can get a copy of the FreeBSD 5.3 CDs from? Simon Crosby

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Re: Re: [wlug] Meeting on 24th January?
by GUO Zhijun 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

Hi, John R. McPherson I'm from Shanghai LUG and will arrive New Zealand and Hamilton at 23. It's lucky to catch the meeting. What's the topics? GUO Zhijun jamguo(a)sh163.net 2005-01-19 ----- Original Message ----- From: John R. McPherson <jrm21(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> To: Ian McDonald; Waikato Linux Users Group <imcdnzl(a)gmail.com; wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: 2005-01-19 12:31:33 Subject: Re: [wlug] Meeting on 24th January? >On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 08:50, Ian McDonald wrote: >> It looks like there is a meeting on 24/1 according to the Wiki but >> I've seen no reminder... >> >> Can anybody confirm one way or the other? > >Yes, we have scheduled a wlug meeting for next Monday. We are just >finalising the location for the room at this stage. > >The meeting reminder bot should have sent out an email on Monday but for >some reason it didn't... > >John >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Meeting on 24th January?
by Ian McDonald 19 Jan '05

19 Jan '05

It looks like there is a meeting on 24/1 according to the Wiki but I've seen no reminder... Can anybody confirm one way or the other? I'd like to go so I can hand over my membership forms and pay my cash since I'm already quite good at sending all sorts to the mailing list ;-)

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Where do I send books/Magazines for the Library?
by Oliver Jones 17 Jan '05

17 Jan '05

Where do I send books & magazines I want to contribute to the WLUG Library? Regards -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> Deeper Design Limited

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library books/cdroms
by John R. McPherson 17 Jan '05

17 Jan '05

Hi everyone, just a general reminder that WLUG has a bunch of books and cdroms to lend out to paid-up WLUG members. We've recently received a few review copies of new books, so feel free to borrow any and post a review of it onto the wlug website. http://library.wlug.org.nz/show.pl?recent=10 There's a meeting next Monday so we can arrange to bring any requested books along (and if you have an issued item this would be a good opportunity to return it). Lastly, we can ask for more review copies of things if people request them. If you would like us to acquire something, go to the http://www.wlug.org.nz/WantedBooks wiki page and feel free to edit it, adding the publisher, book name, and your name in the appropriate place. John McPherson

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RE: [wlug] uBuntu Linux
by Gund Wehsling 16 Jan '05

16 Jan '05

Hi I have left a copy at the reception of Computerland in Collingwood Street for you if you can get it. If not, then I will arrange to get the balance of the discs to the next LUG meeting. It is there under your name - Frank (to avoid confusion). Gund -----Original Message----- From: SnapafunFrank [mailto:Frank(a)snapafun.co.nz] Sent: Wed 12/01/2005 19:39 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] uBuntu Linux David Nicholls wrote: >Oooooh oooh! Hand up for an x86 and possibly a ppc one. > >Cheers... >david > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gund Wehsling [mailto:Gund.Wehsling(a)computerland.co.nz] >Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2005 2:35 pm >To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Subject: [wlug] uBuntu Linux > > >Good Day > >The guys at uBuntu have sent me some uBuntu disks in original sleeves >etc. There is no real advantage to these except they are already here. > >I have: > >5 x x86 CDs (includes live CD in sleeve) >2 x 64bit (AMD and EMT) CDs >2 x PPC CDs > >If anybody wants, first come, first serve. > >All version 4.10 details on thier site. > >Rgds > > > > >Gund > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > If my son is permitted to collect on my behalf ( he Hamilton - me Whangarei ) then I would care to put my hand up for one also. ( x86 ) Thanks for to offer regardless. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] uBuntu Linux
by Gund Wehsling 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

Hi The site is very specific about shipment times and release times and they document this well. The orders it seems are processed in South Africa and shipped from Switzerland (well mine was, but it is a small world anyway). Mine took a while (about 6 weeks), but I am sure the Xmas rush is to blame. The balance of the CDs I will try to get to the next meeting and whoever wants can grab. Rgds Gund -----Original Message----- From: Judy & Lindsay Roberts [mailto:judenlinz(a)orcon.net.nz] Sent: Thu 13/01/2005 22:31 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] uBuntu Linux I ordered the release of Ubuntu from there site some time back. The guys that have received theirs so far, about how long did it take for them to arrive after ordering? And which country were they dispatched from do you know? > Hi > > I have left a copy at the reception of Computerland in Collingwood Street for you if you can get it. If not, then I will arrange to get the balance of the discs to the next LUG meeting. > > It is there under your name - Frank (to avoid confusion). > > > > Gund _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Configuring konqueror/kate in KDE
by Glenn Ramsey 13 Jan '05

13 Jan '05

Hi, I have a Debian machine and a Mandrake machine both running KDE. I have configured the default text editor on both to be kate so that if I double click a file in konqueror it opens in kate. If I double click a second file in konqueror then on the Debian box it opens as another tab in the already running instance of kate, but on the Mandrake box it opens in a new instance of kate. How do I configure the Mandrake box to act like the Debian box? Ie a subsequent file is opened in an already running instance of kate if one exists. g -- Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 http://www.componic.co.nz

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RE: [wlug] uBuntu Linux
by David Nicholls 12 Jan '05

12 Jan '05

Oooooh oooh! Hand up for an x86 and possibly a ppc one. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Gund Wehsling [mailto:Gund.Wehsling(a)computerland.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2005 2:35 pm To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: [wlug] uBuntu Linux Good Day The guys at uBuntu have sent me some uBuntu disks in original sleeves etc. There is no real advantage to these except they are already here. I have: 5 x x86 CDs (includes live CD in sleeve) 2 x 64bit (AMD and EMT) CDs 2 x PPC CDs If anybody wants, first come, first serve. All version 4.10 details on thier site. Rgds Gund _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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uBuntu Linux
by Gund Wehsling 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

Good Day The guys at uBuntu have sent me some uBuntu disks in original sleeves etc. There is no real advantage to these except they are already here. I have: 5 x x86 CDs (includes live CD in sleeve) 2 x 64bit (AMD and EMT) CDs 2 x PPC CDs If anybody wants, first come, first serve. All version 4.10 details on thier site. Rgds Gund

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Converting Video Formats
by Gund Wehsling 11 Jan '05

11 Jan '05

Hi First off, welcome to 2005. Next, has anybody had any fun converting media in Linux (or W32 for that matter)? I have several AVi files (in DV1 format) that have been ripped from my old and dying camera and I have now many Gigs of AVIs I would like to make into MPEGs or similar, if for no reason other than to reduce thier size. I have tried some W32 applications that do not preserve the quality or even the size of the videos and after a few weeks, I have come to the conclusion, that not even paid for software is good for me. Any ideas for Linux or W32 greatly appreciated. Rgds Gund

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File types
by Gun Caundle 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

Thanx for all the help I now have a clearer understanding about Linux file types. I was trying to find something with extensions to differentiate the types of files as in Windows. (Laudy hush ma mouth)

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File types
by Gun Caundle 09 Jan '05

09 Jan '05

I'm working through the RH technicians certification course outline. (RH033) In Unit 7: The Linux File System, it lists 'The Seven Fundemental Filetypes' Can anybody help me with what they are or where I can find out what they are Any help would be appreciated.

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RE: Fw: [wlug] [Fwd: Cheap older PC]
by Jodi Thomson 07 Jan '05

07 Jan '05

I've just viewed both www.wlug.org.nz and www2.wlug.org.nz using lynx on RH6.1 without ipv6 compiled in. Jodi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- Jodi W. Anderson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) - Computer Systems Consultant Waikato University Library - Computing Operations Group Ph: +64 7 838 4323 email: jodi(a)waikato.ac.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." > -----Original Message----- > From: mglb1-forwarding > Sent: Thursday, 6 January 2005 1:20 p.m. > To: Waikato Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: Fw: [wlug] [Fwd: Cheap older PC] > > On Thu, 2005-01-06 at 12:54 +1300, Judy & Lindsay Roberts wrote: > > I'm still in Windows XP, awaiting Ubuntu to arrival by > snail mail from > > whereever it is dispatched. So, is there an issue of XP > not liking your > > site. > > No, I very much doubt it is XP causing the problem. > > The main difference between > > www.wlug.org.nz and www2.wlug.org.nz is IPv6 dns records > > See > > matt(a)argon:~$ host -t AAAA www.wlug.org.nz > www.wlug.org.nz is an alias for hoiho.wlug.org.nz. > hoiho.wlug.org.nz has AAAA address 2002:cb61:a32::1 > > matt(a)argon:~$ host -t A www.wlug.org.nz > www.wlug.org.nz is an alias for hoiho.wlug.org.nz. > hoiho.wlug.org.nz has address 203.97.10.50 > > Vs > > matt(a)argon:~$ host -t AAAA www2.wlug.org.nz > matt(a)argon:~$ > > matt(a)argon:~$ host -t A www2.wlug.org.nz > www2.wlug.org.nz has address 203.97.10.50 > > So if you can get to www2, but not www then it suggests that you are > possibly having a problem with IPv6. > > Without knowing how your network is setup it is hard to help > you fix it. > Perhaps if you provided some more details regarding your network setup > and your ISP I could help. > > Alternatively, you could just use www2 and be done with it. > > Regards > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Daniel Lawson" <daniel(a)meta.net.nz> > > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:32 PM > > Subject: Re: Fw: [wlug] [Fwd: Cheap older PC] > > > > > > > Judy & Lindsay Roberts wrote: > > > > > > >I even get a timed out error attempting to get to the > home page. I seem > > to > > > >be able to access the rest of the web ok. > > > > > > > >http://www.wlug.org.n > > > > > > > > > > Sorry if you've already said this, but: > > > > > > Which operating system / distribution are you using, and > which version? > > > Which browser are you using, and which version? > > > > > > (just trying to see if there's an obvious reason for > www.wlug.org.nz to > > > not work for you). > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- > Matt Brown > matt(a)mattb.net.nz > Mob +64 275 611 544 www.mattb.net.nz > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

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fresh new kernel installation
by SnapafunFrank 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

Finding it difficult to find someone with the patience to help with this so thought I would try local talent: In the past, whenever I wanted to compile a `new` kernel, I would first up do: # urpmi kernel-source-2.6-n Then do: # urpmi kernel The kernels were not the latest release and of course rpm's were available. Because of my usb concerns I thought I would `install` kernel-2.6-10 - knowing I would have to compile from linux-2.6.10.tar.bz2. So first thing, read the README at least, and straight off I'm lost, though later it looks like my usual one step at a time approach will get there. Here's were I'm lost: "- If you install the full sources, put the kernel tarball in a directory where you have permissions (eg. your home directory) and unpack it" OK - no prob with that. "Do NOT use the /usr/src/linux area! " Again, no prob, sort of covered that, I thought. "- Make sure you have no stale .o files and dependencies lying around: cd linux make mrproper You should now have the sources correctly installed." Huh! But I've only unpacked the bz2 file into my home directory - how can anything be installed at this point? Just in case I'm having a braindead week : "BUILD directory for the kernel: When compiling the kernel all output files will per default be stored together with the kernel source code. **[ Fair enough ]** Using the option "make O=output/dir" allow you to specify an alternate place for the output files (including .config). Example: kernel source code: /usr/src/linux-2.6.N build directory: /home/name/build/kernel ** [ Possibly not something I might require but better remember, just in case ] ** To configure and build the kernel use: cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.N ** WOAH - WAIT UP- where in blue blazes did the directory /usr/src/linux-2.6.N come from - yes. I have directories for previous versions here but certainly not this one yet. So right now I have the bz2 file in my /home/frank/src/ directory, have it unpacked and I thought ready to go????? So I go back and re-read things and find: " If you install the full sources..... " Right back at the beginning. The only file I have found is the bz2 file, how can I have already installed the full sources. I thought they were part and parcel of the bz2 file and as yet had to be installed. Lost - braindead - BOTH. Any one want to do the rear seat kicking here? -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213

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/etc/init.d/rcS error
by Nigel Nguyen 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

Hi all, Yesterday, I did nothing special with the computer... However, this morning, something special came to me when I booted it up "/etc/init.d/rcS line 227: /sbin/fsck fsck failed. Please repair manually ... "more text"... " Does anyone got any idea what the problem is this and how to get over ? Thanks lot people Nigel -- Ask not what the computer can do for you Ask what you can do with your computer.

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NZ mirror linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz ?
by Nigel Nguyen 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

I just notice a couple days ago: Is this new zealand mirror: linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz ? Why didnt they announce it somewhere ? hum, disconnect from my current netlogin. login as user(a)jetstreamgames.co.nz , playing games (BF1942) and downloading linux...well pretty fast and got a couple of linux distro to play with :) now next time gentoo install must be very fast :)) for me ... Nigel -- Nigel Nguyen Email: nigel(a)nigelnguyen.org Website: www.nigelnguyen.org Phone: +64 21 484628 Ask not what computer can do for you, Ask what you can do with your computer.

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Fw: [wlug] [Fwd: Cheap older PC]
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 06 Jan '05

06 Jan '05

> Hi again Craig. I still cant view the http://www.wlug.org.nz/GarageSale/ > site. I get a message "The operation timed out when attempting to contact > www.wlug.org.nz" > > While I may not be able to attend the WLUG meeting, we will be through to > Hamilton from Taumarunui the last Saturday in January. We may be able to > make a point of seeing you then, it that suits. > Linz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Box" <craig(a)dubculture.co.nz> > To: "Waikato Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: [wlug] [Fwd: Cheap older PC] > > > > > We have been giving some thought to buying a SECOND HAND older > > > computer - something like a 500mhz machine - to put a full Linux > > > system on, if we cant get the LIVE versions I am tinkering with to > > > operate to the point of being able to send/receive email and view the > > > occasional website. > > > I have had some suggestions to where I might get something, from list > > > members, but so far what I have viewed have been beyond our currents > > > 'means.' > > > > I have a K6-2-500 PC that is surplus to requirements, which you can take > > away from the next WLUG meeting for the one off price of nothing. It will > > not be pretty - it will be about as quick as a P2-350 from memory. > > > > Otherwise there are often people on this list with computers they are > giving > > away for a song- unfortunately I've just got rid of all of mine. If you > > check our buy/sell/exchange page at http://www.wlug.org.nz/GarageSale/ you > > will see where these transactions are normally carried out. If you still > > can't see the web site, that's the first thing we need to fix! > > > > If, however, you do have a bit of money to spare, one of those $850 Dell > > computers would give you an experience ten times better than what you'd > get > > out of an old P2 machine. Linux would have a much better reputation if > more > > people could/would try it on better specced machines. > > > > Craig > > > > _______________________________________________ > > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.5 - Release Date: 26/12/2004 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/2004 > >

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DVD playback under linux
by Daniel Lawson 04 Jan '05

04 Jan '05

Santa was nice to me this year and gave me a Pioneer DVR-108 for christmas. After installing this into my gentoo box, I was fairly happy to see that I could run gmplayer dvd:// And have it start playing the dvd. However, it appears that mplayer isn't so good at playing the root menu. After some discussion on IRC, totem was suggested. I'd never really liked totem, and had found mplayer a much better player, but I tried it. Currently it seems that DVD playback with the gstreamer backed to totem is dead. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71519 implies rebuilding totem without gstreamer support should do the job, but that seems tedious. Does anyone have any experience with DVD playback under linux? (distro agnostic, I'd just like to see what software/versions people are using) Daniel PS: Happy New Year - was going to claim FP for 2005 but I see Perry was posting at 3am.

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[Fwd: Cheap older PC]
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

We have been giving some thought to buying a SECOND HAND older computer - something like a 500mhz machine - to put a full Linux system on, if we cant get the LIVE versions I am tinkering with to operate to the point of being able to send/receive email and view the occasional website. I have had some suggestions to where I might get something, from list members, but so far what I have viewed have been beyond our currents 'means.' Further suggestions would be appreciated. Linz -- Our website has changed slightly. new URL is www.geocities.com/judenlinz Phone nz07-896-8826 -- Our website has changed slightly. new URL is www.geocities.com/judenlinz Phone nz07-896-8826

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I am looking to buy a DVD Writer
by Ron Dean 03 Jan '05

03 Jan '05

What brands work with linux or doesn't it matter

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No Sound with Totem-Xine
by Nigel Nguyen 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

Hi all, have any body experienced with No-Sound Xine ? I have just install xine & totem-xine on my ubuntu. However, when I play a .asf file the weird thing happen: the pictures is excellent but there is no sound at all (even though, the system sounds is loud and clear) both in xine & totem-xine. As suggestion on the internet I try to pass option in .totem_config & .xine/config to enable alsa driver, but so far no help. When I tried switch back to totem-gstreamer with gstreamer-ffmpeg, the file is playing with sound and pictures is good for the 15sec then, the sound start sluggish... & I don't like gstreamer backend. Any idea to fix the problem ? Thanks lots, Nigel

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

The WLUG mailing list is the discussion-list extension of the Waikato Linux Users Group. As such, we expect members of this list to adhere to the principles espoused in our official Charter[1], in particular, Rule 6, which covers the activities on this mailing list. While this is an Acceptable Use Policy, the WLUG committee do recognise the need for informal discussion among list members, and draconian administration is not the goal of this policy. Please keep in mind, however, that your comments to this list do represent the WLUG, and while it is good to be seen as an organisation with a sense of humour, some comments may do serious harm to our credibility as a serious advocate of GNU/Linux and all things Free Software/Open Source related. List discussion: * Should not commit slander or libel against any person or organisation * Should not be unprofessional or petty, especially with respect to the names of other software companies * Should not indulge in ad hominem attacks * Should not reproduce copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder * Should not indulge in marketing or advertising, other than on a private sale basis, or advertising of jobs - which may be announced once only. * Should maintain a reasonable level of spelling and grammar * Should be honest * Should not promote or denigrate political, cultural, or religious views * Should not continue inflammatory or abusive threads * Should accentuate the positive, without hyperbole or blatant misrepresentation Posters who consistently violate these guidelines will be dealt with at the discretion of the List Maintainer. If you feel you have been unfairly dealt with, you have recourse to any member of the WLUG Committee[2]. [1] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCharter [2] http://www.wlug.org.nz/WlugCommittee

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What distro is best fit for amd64?
by Nigel Nguyen 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I gonna get a new desktop with AMD64 cpu. However, I just wonder what distro will be best fit for it ? So far, I got two recommendation: 1> Yoper as it customize for i686-or-higher (but personally, I don't think i686 will be in par of amd64 arch) 2> Gentoo (compile in 64-bit mode) Anything else? Howevre, if I go for gentoo, then - - Will there be a significant improvement if I compile in 64-bit mode rather than 32-bit with arch=athlon-xp and sse2 enable ? - - If I compile in 64-bit mode, will I be able to install some 32-bit apps on top of that as I heard that some plugins like flash / wma /wmv are not yet availabe for 64-bit & some apps neither (OOo & Cedega/WineX) Thanks lots in advance, Happy holidays, Nigel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB0/ck8Zb1b6sN9OgRAlvxAJ9eFWJMfOWPJIomTTTtmktSSYGPaQCfSMlS tiqxr4Whkvik1PXQx6O169Y= =4MoD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Re: [wlug] ISO meaning
by Stephen Pearce 30 Dec '04

30 Dec '04

What about incremental writing to cdr under linux .. I have not worked out how to use a cdr as I can under windows .. to act as a large ..non erasable floppy. Stephen

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Linux greeny
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

I started with computers in 1980. DOS was an infant at the time. I started to develop software at the time using Basic, progressed to QuickBasic and now VisualBasic. About four years ago, I put a version of Mandrake Linux on a Windows ME computer. Every knows that ME was a 'virus' of a system. About a month after putting a Linux partition on it, I got a warning that an error had occurred in Linux which could destroy my Windows partition. This had happened several times before and nothing happened when I told it to continue. Bad move. It destroyed my HDD entirely. Since then my wife has said no more Linux on your computers. I recently hunted for a LIVE CD version of Linux and now have two. Mandrake Move - which looks really good, and Ubuntu Live, which is also great, but can access the HDD and has already changed my screen setting from 75hz to 60 and I cant change it back. I think I'll go with the Mandrake - but - I cant get it to recognize my 56k internal Modem now my USB printer. It wont write to the USB memory stick either although it has located it. Someone gave me some instructions for finding my modem, but I'm afraid I was too 'green' to go into action. I'm going to need a 'pictured painted' for me on this. However, if I cant get the setting written to the memory stick, what is the point in trying to use the system? I will have to put in my system and internet settings each time it loads. Not practical! Where do I start? Linz -- Our website has changed slightly. new URL is www.geocities.com/judenlinz Phone nz07-896-8826

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web site
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 26 Dec '04

26 Dec '04

A little bit of help required. We have a new site on Geocities - www.geocities.com/judenlinz I am having difficulty in making a photo appear in the appropriate box. Can anyone assist? I can send the little bit of code to anyone who wishes to contact me personally, so they can peruse it to see what I am doing wrong. May I thank some kind soul/s in advance. Linz

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USB Memory sticks
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

Is it safe to connect and disconnect USB Memory sticks with the power on?

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ISO meaning
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

I haven't been able to discover a glossary to let me know what a .iso file actually is, what .iso stand for. Someone?

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[Fwd: Conference in Sydney Australia, July 2005]
by Oliver Jones 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

If anyone is interested in attending an IEEE conference in Sydney.... -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> Deeper Design Limited

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RE: [wlug] Ubuntu Live CD
by David Nicholls 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

Good lord... I have the ISO at home, would you like me to make you a copy? -----Original Message----- From: Judy & Lindsay Roberts [mailto:judenlinz(a)orcon.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 6:43 am To: Waikato LUG Subject: [wlug] Ubuntu Live CD I have downloaded Ubuntu Live Linux which is two files which are about the size of a CD. I have Nero Burning and now wish to make a bootable CD with these two files. What procedure do I use to accomplish this please? Linz _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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ISO meaning
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

I haven't been able to discover a glossary to let me know what a .iso file actually is, what .iso stand for. Someone?

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RE: [wlug] Ubuntu Live CD
by David Nicholls 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

I've installed ubuntu before... Very nice and easy to do. As I said if you want a copy of the latest install cd instead of mucking around yourself (why is it 2 files anyway? I just got a single iso file off linuxisos.org) drop me a line. The install is incredibly easy, it's virtually insert cd and leave running. If you want advice or help, I can give some limited help (still learning myself), but I'm more than willing. I suggest you check out some of the reviews that are around to find out about ubuntus little quirks. Ubuntu is based on the debian unstable release, and the code is tweaked a bit to be (of course) more stable. New updates are released every six months. I eventually swapped to suse for various reasons, but plan on installing ubuntu on my next machine. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Denby [mailto:redhat(a)ihug.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 12:35 pm To: Waikato Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [wlug] Ubuntu Live CD The best nero trick I know for an iso image is to edit the name name.iso ------> name.nrg nero will then know it is an image and will handle it from there just accept the defaults and let it make the cd (s) But since you seem to be installing onto your hard drive you might want someone to help you here, maybe someone local to you in the lug will be willing to help you with this. > I have downloaded Ubuntu Live Linux which is two files which are about > the size of a CD. I have Nero Burning and now wish to make a bootable > CD with these two files. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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RE: [wlug] Ubuntu Live CD
by David Nicholls 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

That's both the live and the full install cd by the way. Merry christmas all. Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Judy & Lindsay Roberts [mailto:judenlinz(a)orcon.net.nz] Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2004 6:43 am To: Waikato LUG Subject: [wlug] Ubuntu Live CD I have downloaded Ubuntu Live Linux which is two files which are about the size of a CD. I have Nero Burning and now wish to make a bootable CD with these two files. What procedure do I use to accomplish this please? Linz _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Shutdown Problem
by Gun Caundle 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

I'm using CentOS 3 When I shut down it hangs at the: 'Sending all processes the TERM signal' (or KILL). I hold in the power button to complete the shutdown. Is this doing any damage to files etc?

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Ubuntu Live CD
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

I have downloaded Ubuntu Live Linux which is two files which are about the size of a CD. I have Nero Burning and now wish to make a bootable CD with these two files. What procedure do I use to accomplish this please? Linz

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Mandrake Move setup
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

I am trying to set up Mandrake Move (Live CD). Several things I dont seem to be unable to accomplish at this stage. 1) Cant set up an Internet connection. I have used the default selections (selected radio buttons). I have an IHUG account for the purpose. I had difficulty finding out where my modem was attached (Windows says Com3). I get this error message 'An unexpected error has happened: output in file /usr/share/config/Kppprc failed: read only file system.' 2) My USB Key is connected, but cant seem to save settings to that at present. It shows up in Konquerer but not in the File Manager (Ksomething or the other). In Konquerer, it will not permit me to copy files from Key to Floppy. Does floppy have to be formatted in special format for that? Konquerer reads the floppy formatted in Dos ok, for I put some text files on it to test. Thats enough for one day I think. Cheers Linz

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Modem for Linux
by lilypatc＠ihug.co.nz 21 Dec '04

21 Dec '04

Hi all I haven't been in touch since the installfest in may? Working all hours and Linux has taken a back seat. I have just got a modem going in the Linux box, Not counting the slow machine with a hardware ISA modem that I took to work for check E-mail at night, Don't want pirate windows in case Micro$oft did an audit so it has Mandrake 10. Showed the other techs that it not so different to windows to use in GUI. Anyway the modem I found is a Pragmatic FMI-IA56 which uses an Intel 536 chipset which Intel suply driver for Linux for, including some precompiled drivers for Mandrake 10 and some other popular distros. They seem to work OK for Mandrake 10. It is a V92 hardware mode (HCF) not the old driverless hardware type. I did have it run a little eratic but the instructions mentioned a reset command "AT&F" which seems to have sorted it. Hope someone finds it usefull Regards David Bowen

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Testing again
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 21 Dec '04

21 Dec '04

Testing again

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Testing
by Judy & Lindsay Roberts 21 Dec '04

21 Dec '04

I am testing whether I have the correct address for wlug mail list Linz

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A request...
by Craig Box 20 Dec '04

20 Dec '04

If there is anyone on the list that has up to date contact details for Sahil Gupta, could they please email Liam Venter at liam(a)lan1.co.nz. (No discussion on this matter please) Craig

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RE: [wlug] Why do I bother with Linux?
by David Nicholls 20 Dec '04

20 Dec '04

If only they'd release mac OSX for x86... <sigh> Cheers... david -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, 19 December 2004 8:00 pm Subject: [wlug] Why do I bother with Linux? Sometimes I think I'm a masochist for using Linux. I have put all my MPEG4 audio on the USB2 external HDD I was talking about previously. I tried importing all the audio into Rhythm Box. Rhythm Box proceeded to consume all of my RAM and swap. I managed to kill the app and restart it. It appeared to have imported most of the audio. I went about playing some songs. Changing between them etc. Rhythm Box proceeded to play them for a while then when trying to change between Black Eye Peas songs it locked up the ALSA sound card driver. Whoop. I don't think I'll be playing with Rhythm Box again. After a reboot XMMS proceeeded to play the m4a files with the MPEG4 Audio plug in I must have installed a while back. No track info though. *sigh* And we wonder why those crazy Windows users stick to their unstable OS and why legions of Linux geeks are fleeing at great haste to Mac OS X. Ah well, back to flagellating myself. Regards -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> Deeper Design Limited _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Why do I bother with Linux?
by Oliver Jones 19 Dec '04

19 Dec '04

Sometimes I think I'm a masochist for using Linux. I have put all my MPEG4 audio on the USB2 external HDD I was talking about previously. I tried importing all the audio into Rhythm Box. Rhythm Box proceeded to consume all of my RAM and swap. I managed to kill the app and restart it. It appeared to have imported most of the audio. I went about playing some songs. Changing between them etc. Rhythm Box proceeded to play them for a while then when trying to change between Black Eye Peas songs it locked up the ALSA sound card driver. Whoop. I don't think I'll be playing with Rhythm Box again. After a reboot XMMS proceeeded to play the m4a files with the MPEG4 Audio plug in I must have installed a while back. No track info though. *sigh* And we wonder why those crazy Windows users stick to their unstable OS and why legions of Linux geeks are fleeing at great haste to Mac OS X. Ah well, back to flagellating myself. Regards -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> Deeper Design Limited

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Re: [wlug] Linux LVM and Windows.
by Stephen Pearce 19 Dec '04

19 Dec '04

Hi, I had the same problem ... with fedora 2. I ended up doing away with LVM. As I understand it is only useful if you are likely to fill your partitions and need to resize them. I thought this might be useful initially, but as I don't create many huge files, I don't think I would ever use it even if I could get it working. When I looked into it they were doing a major change in the code .. it might be simpler now .. I've forgotten it and not regretted it. Stephen > > From: Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> > Date: 2004/12/19 Sun PM 06:47:27 GMT+13:00 > To: Waikato Linux Users Group <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Subject: [wlug] Linux LVM and Windows. > > On my laptop I've installed Fedora Core 3. By default FC3 uses Linux > LVM for the install partitions and swap. It only puts /boot on a > separate "Linux native" partition. I also have Windows XP installed on > my laptop in a 20GB partition at the front of the drive (hda1). > > When I booted Windows today (a rarity) I noticed that the LVM partition > is showing up as a drive letter in Windows. The disk manager doesn't > show it with a file system but I am concerned Windows XP will do > something stupid and try and write to the device at some point and fruck > my Linux install. > > Does anyone else have experience with Windows XP and Linux LVM? How can > I hide the LVM drive from Windows. Is there a way of telling Windows > the get the hell away from that partition? > > I've never used LVM before so I'm in the dark a bit. Any help would be > appreciated. > > Regards > -- > Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> > Deeper Design Limited > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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NexStar external 3.5" USB2/Firewire HDD enclosures and FC3.
by Oliver Jones 19 Dec '04

19 Dec '04

Hi Folks. Thought I'd share a little tidbit of experience with you all. Recently I purchased a Vantec NexStar external USB2/Firewire 3.5" HDD enclosure. I had an existing 200GB Seagate Barracuda drive to put in it. Today I assembled the unit and plugged it into my Fedora Core 3 powered Compaq laptop. I was rather pleased to see FC3 detect the device, amend /etc/fstab, mount it, and put a nice little media icon on my desktop with a USB logo on it. It even did so when the HDD was formatted with NTFS. I subsequently deleted the NTFS partition that was on the drive and reformatted with FAT32 so that I can share the device more easily between Windows and Linux machines. I did the partitioning and formatting under Linux as Windows XP (in its infinite wisdom) can not create FAT32 partitions greater than 30GB. All in all the experience was quite nice. Certainly nicer than my past experiences with USB storage devices under Linux. Unfortunately when I switched cables to Firewire (IEEE1394) things didn't go so smoothly. The Linux ieee1394 driver can't seem to communicate with the device. Something about being unable to parse the configrom. This isn't the only firewire device that this Laptop hasn't been able to talk to under Linux. So I imagine it is some driver issue with whatever chipset that this laptop has. I've never had much luck with firewire and Linux. But I don't mind. This laptop has 3 USB 2 ports and USB is "fast enough" for storing my iTunes/iPod music and other backup/archive data. Regards -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> Deeper Design Limited

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Linux LVM and Windows.
by Oliver Jones 19 Dec '04

19 Dec '04

On my laptop I've installed Fedora Core 3. By default FC3 uses Linux LVM for the install partitions and swap. It only puts /boot on a separate "Linux native" partition. I also have Windows XP installed on my laptop in a 20GB partition at the front of the drive (hda1). When I booted Windows today (a rarity) I noticed that the LVM partition is showing up as a drive letter in Windows. The disk manager doesn't show it with a file system but I am concerned Windows XP will do something stupid and try and write to the device at some point and fruck my Linux install. Does anyone else have experience with Windows XP and Linux LVM? How can I hide the LVM drive from Windows. Is there a way of telling Windows the get the hell away from that partition? I've never used LVM before so I'm in the dark a bit. Any help would be appreciated. Regards -- Oliver Jones <oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> Deeper Design Limited

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Python and recording audio
by zcat 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

I'm trying to write a program in python but I am _very_ confused about how to set audio parameters. I can find documentation but it doesn't make any sense. I can't seem to find an example anywhere that I can follow. In the past I've just used /dev/dsp with the default settings of 8 bit mono, 8k samplerate. This time I want to record 16 bit, two channels, 44k1, splitting the recording into left.wav and right.wav and stripping out silence in realtime. How do I do it?

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WLUG Xmas BBQ Canceled
by Jamie Curtis 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

Hi all, Unfortunately, due to the unpredictable weather and the lack of an indoor venue, we have had to cancel the WLUG Xmas BBQ planed for tonight. It is possible that if we could find a suitable time or location we could still run the BBQ, but as it's getting closer and closer to Christmas this is going to get harder. Again, sorry all, and if you do have any suggestions, please get in touch with me or any of the committee. Thanks Jamie

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RE: [wlug] Overlapping usage nonsense
by Gund Wehsling 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

Hi I agree, NAT is supposed to be almost impossible to detect. Change your dial-in password now and see what happens next billing cycle? Perhaps your mate who you helped to setup his computer will ring you later this week to tell you the Internet connection you helped him with has stopped working? Of course I have done that before. Gund -----Original Message----- From: James Clark [mailto:jamesc(a)bofh.co.nz] Sent: Fri 19/11/2004 12:04 To: Waikato Linux Users Group Cc: Subject: Re: [wlug] Overlapping usage nonsense On Fri, Nov 19, 2004 at 11:17:58AM +1300, Jared Wigmore wrote: > Having got a network and Internet connection sharing > set up (thanks Bruce), Xtra is now charging my family > for "overlapping usage" via my Linux computer. (The > Internet connection is on the family computer, with > Windows XP professional.) Overlapping usage: http://www.xtra.co.nz/help/0,,6155-1452314,00.html (if the link works) I suspect someone is dialling up with your account simultaniously, not because your NAT-ing... James. _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list | wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Unsubscribe: http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug

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Thank you Perry.
by Greig McGill 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

Hi all. Perry has hopefully made the meeting reminderbot issue go away for good now. A HUGE thank you to him for doing this. This means you should all be able to start taking the meeting reminders seriously now. :) See you all on Friday. The Fist.

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