November 2024 - wlug - list.wlug.org.nz

Weta Digital’s Technology Division Sold To US Firm
by Lawrence D'Oliveiro 01 Aug '25

01 Aug '25

Let me see if I understand this article <https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/sir-peter-jackson-to-sell-weta-digital-…> correctly: the part of Weta Digital that used to develop the in-house 3D graphics/effects tools that they use in all those movies is being sold to US-based Unity Software. The part that is left will be called “WetaFX”, and will become a customer of Unity for the use of those tools, no longer doing its own development in-house. By the way, I’ve been looking at the Unity site <https://unity.com/>, and it looks like all their products are rentware (subscription-based).

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GIMP 3.0 - a Milestone For Open-Source Image Editing
by Peter Reutemann 30 Nov '24

30 Nov '24

'The long-awaited release of the GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP) 3.0 is on the way, marking the first major update since version 2.10 was released in April 2018. It now features a GTK 3 user interface and GIMP 3.0 introduces significant changes to the core platform and plugins. This release also brings performance and usability improvements, as well as more compatibility with Wayland and complex input sources. GIMP 3.0 is the first release to use GTK 3, a more modern foundation than the GTK 2 base of prior releases. GTK 4 has been available for a few years now, and is on the project's radar, but the plan was always to finish the GTK 3 work first. Moving to GTK 3 brings initial Wayland compatibility and HiDPI scaling. In addition, this allows for GIMP users to take advantage of multi-touch input, bringing pinch-to-zoom gestures to the program, and offering a better experience when working with complex peripherals, such as advanced drawing tablets. These features were not previously possible due to the limitations of GTK 2. A secondary result of the transition to GTK 3 is a refreshed user interface (UI), now with support for CSS themes included. In this release, four themes are available by default, including light, dark, and gray themes, along with a high-contrast theme for users with visual impairments. Additionally, this release has transitioned to using GTK's header bar component, typically used to combine an application's toolbar and title bar into one unit. To maintain familiarity with previous releases, however, GIMP 3.0 still supports the traditional menu interface.' -- source: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/11/29/134239/ Cheers, Peter

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Both KDE and GNOME To Offer Official Distros
by Peter Reutemann 30 Nov '24

30 Nov '24

'KDE and GNOME have decided that because they're not big and complicated enough already, they might work better if they have their own custom distributions underneath. What's the worst that could happen? A talk from this year's KDE conference, Akademy 2024, looks like it's going to become real. The talk, by KDE developer Harald Sitter, was entitled An Operating System of Our Own, and the idea sounds simple enough: Sitter proposed an official KDE Linux distribution. Now the proposal is gathering steam and a plan is coming together for an official KDE Linux -- codenamed "Project Banana."' -- source: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/11/29/2055220 Cheers, Peter

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file browser
by Peter Reutemann 26 Nov '24

26 Nov '24

Hi there Today, I decided to finally switch my default file browser to krusader: https://krusader.org/ For a number of years, I've been using double-commander: https://doublecmd.sourceforge.io/ Mostly, I was quite happy with double-commander, as it had my preferred two-panel approach for managing files (I frequently copy files between various directories around for testing models etc). The two-panel approach was something I came to appreciate back in the DOS days when using the Norton Commander. With Double-commander I could also have an arbitrary number of tabs within a panel. The function buttons at the bottom (rename/copy/view/terminal/etc) were also quite handy when using the mouse. And, very importantly, Double-commander is available for Windows as well. However, remote access via sftp was quite slow (viewing and copying files) and that's when I had to fall back on caja, as it had a much higher throughput. Compared to caja, krusader is much faster when listing remote files. Waiting around for caja to refresh a few thousand files was taking way too long (sometimes up to 30 seconds). That's what gave me the final push to make the switch (on my development machine). Double-commander will still be my go-to tool for Windows machines. Anyway, what is your preferred file browser? Cheers, Peter

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g: An Elegant Alternative for the ls Command in Linux
by Peter Reutemann 25 Nov '24

25 Nov '24

Hi everyone Just came across this post: '“g” is a free and open-source cross-platform alternative to the ls command, offering more advanced features than any other alternative, such as what “exa” can provide. The developer named this tool “g” because it’s written in Go, and “g” is simply easy to remember. It offers various ways to customize output, multiple ways to layout the output, integrated support for Git, advanced sorting mechanisms, fuzzy path matching, and hyperlink support.' -- source: https://linuxtldr.com/g-alternative-of-the-ls-command/ Looks like an interesting alternative. :-) Cheers, Peter

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Red Hat is Becoming an Official Microsoft 'Windows Subsystem for Linux' Distro
by Peter Reutemann 24 Nov '24

24 Nov '24

'You can use any Linux distribution inside of the Windows Subsystem for Linux" Microsoft recently reminded Windows users, "even if it is not available in the Microsoft Store, by importing it with a tar file." But being an official distro "makes it easier for Windows Subsystem for Linux users to install and discover it with actions like wsl --list --online and wsl --install," Microsoft pointed out this week. And "We're excited to announce that Red Hat will soon be delivering a Red Hat Enterprise Linux WSL distro image in the coming months..." Thank you to the Red Hat team as their feedback has been invaluable as we built out this new architecture, and we're looking forwards to the release...! Ron Pacheco, senior director, Red Hat Enterprise Linux Ecosystem, Red Hat says: "Developers have their preferred platforms for developing applications for multiple operating systems, and WSL is an important platform for many of them. Red Hat is committed to driving greater choice and flexibility for developers, which is why we're working closely with the Microsoft team to bring Red Hat Enterprise Linux, the largest commercially available open source Linux distribution, to all WSL users." Read Pacheco's own blog post here. But in addition Microsoft is also releasing "a new way to make WSL distros," they announced this week, "with a new architecture that backs how WSL distros are packaged and installed." Up until now, you could make a WSL distro by either creating an appx package and distributing it via the Microsoft Store, or by importing a .tar file with wsl -import. We wanted to improve this by making it possible to create a WSL distro without needing to write Windows code, and for users to more easily install their distros from a file or network share which is common in enterprise scenarios... With the tar based architecture, you can start with the same .tar file (which can be an exported Linux container!) and just edit it to add details to make it a WSL distro... These options will describe key distro attributes, like the name of the distro, its icon in Windows, and its out of box experience (OOBE) which is what happens when you run WSL for the first time. You'll notice that the oobe_command option points to a file which is a Linux executable, meaning you can set up your full experience just in Linux if you wish. ' -- source: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/11/23/0251245 Cheers, Peter

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Ubuntu Linux Impacted By Decade-Old 'needrestart' Flaw That Gives Root
by Peter Reutemann 21 Nov '24

21 Nov '24

'Five local privilege escalation (LPE) vulnerabilities in the Linux utility "needrestart" -- widely used on Ubuntu to manage service updates -- allow attackers with local access to escalate privileges to root. The flaws were discovered by Qualys in needrestart version 0.8, and fixed in version 3.8. BleepingComputer reports: Complete information about the flaws was made available in a separate text file, but a summary can be found below: - CVE-2024-48990: Needrestart executes the Python interpreter with a PYTHONPATH environment variable extracted from running processes. If a local attacker controls this variable, they can execute arbitrary code as root during Python initialization by planting a malicious shared library. - CVE-2024-48992: The Ruby interpreter used by needrestart is vulnerable when processing an attacker-controlled RUBYLIB environment variable. This allows local attackers to execute arbitrary Ruby code as root by injecting malicious libraries into the process. - CVE-2024-48991: A race condition in needrestart allows a local attacker to replace the Python interpreter binary being validated with a malicious executable. By timing the replacement carefully, they can trick needrestart into running their code as root. - CVE-2024-10224: Perl's ScanDeps module, used by needrestart, improperly handles filenames provided by the attacker. An attacker can craft filenames resembling shell commands (e.g., command|) to execute arbitrary commands as root when the file is opened. - CVE-2024-11003: Needrestart's reliance on Perl's ScanDeps module exposes it to vulnerabilities in ScanDeps itself, where insecure use of eval() functions can lead to arbitrary code execution when processing attacker-controlled input. The report notes that attackers would need to have local access to the operation system through malware or a compromised account in order to exploit these flaws. "Apart from upgrading to version 3.8 or later, which includes patches for all the identified vulnerabilities, it is recommended to modify the needrestart.conf file to disable the interpreter scanning feature, which prevents the vulnerabilities from being exploited," adds BleepingComputer.' -- source: https://it.slashdot.org/story/24/11/21/0057206 Cheers, Peter

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Linux Kernel 6.12 Has Been Released
by Peter Reutemann 18 Nov '24

18 Nov '24

'Slashdot unixbhaskar writes: Linus has released a fresh Linux kernel for public consumption. Please give it a try and report any glitches to the maintainers for improvement. Also, please do not forget to express your appreciation to those tireless folks who did all the hard work for you. The blog OMG Ubuntu calls it "one of the most biggest kernel releases for a while," joking that it's a "really real-time kernel." The headline feature in Linux 6.12 is mainline support for PREEMPT_RT. This patch set dramatically improves the performance of real-time applications by making kernel processes pre-emptible — effectively enabled proper real-time computing... Meanwhile, Linus Torvalds himself contributes a new method for user-space address masking designed to claw back some of the performance lost due to Spectre-v1 mitigations. You might have heard that kernel devs have been working to add QR error codes to Linux's kernel panic BSOD screen (as a waterfall of error text is often cut off and not easily copied for ad-hoc debugging). Well, Linux 6.12 adds support for those during Direct Rendering Manager panics... A slew of new RISC-V CPU ISA extensions are supported in Linux 6.12; hybrid CPU scaling in the Intel P-State driver lands ahead of upcoming Intel Core Ultra 2000 chips; and AMD P-State driver improves AMD Boost and AMD Preferred Core features. More coverage from the blog 9to5Linux highlights a new scheduler called sched_ext, Clang support (including LTO) for nolibc, support for NVIDIA's virtual command queue implementation for SMMUv3, and "an updated cpuidle tool that now displays the residency value of cpuidle states for a clearer and more detailed view of idle state information when using cpuidle-info." Linux kernel 6.12 also introduces SWIG bindings for libcpupower to make it easier for developers to write scripts that use and extend the functionality of libcpupower, support for translating normalized error addresses reported by an AMD memory controller into system physical addresses using a UEFI mechanism called platform runtime mechanism (PRM), as well as simplified loading of microcode patches on AMD Zen and newer CPUs by using the family, model, and stepping encoded in the patch revision number... Moreover, Linux 6.12 adds support for running as a protected guest on Android as well as perf and support for a bunch of new interconnect PMUs. It also adds the final conversions to the new Intel VFM CPU model matching macros, rewrites the PCM buffer allocation handling and locking optimizations, and improves the USB audio driver... ' -- source: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/24/11/18/0142252 Cheers, Peter

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mailing list alternatives
by Peter Reutemann 18 Nov '24

18 Nov '24

Hi everyone Here is a list of all the potential options for having the WLUG mailing list continue in some form after the University of Waikato will shut down their mailman instance next month: 1. TechnologyWise would support us and host it at Catalyst (Wellington) Type: unspecified (since general hosting, could be mailman?) Comment: TW ran the BOP LUG that way 2. Linux Australia (https://lists.linux.org.au/mailman/listinfo) Type: mailman (open-source) Comment: not yet contacted whether they'd be open to it 3. Don Gould Type: unspecified (has FLOSS platform, so could be mailman) 4. NZOSS Type: discourse (open-source, at community.iridescent.nz) Comment: unlikely to migrate archives 5. Outlook Groups option Type: MS Outlook (proprietary) Comment: just email distribution, probably no archives In terms of WLUG list archives... I've experimented with hypermail (https://github.com/hypermail-project/hypermail) and was able to turn the 53MB mbox file containing all our posts from the last 25 years into 183MB of HTML. That way, we can at least ensure that the old content doesn't get lost completely. I also talked to Daniel Lawson, who's hosting the old WLUG website and wiki. Though he is not keen on managing mail (bit of a nightmare nowadays according to him), he'd be willing to host the HTML version of the archives. Please reply to this post with your preferred option(s) by Saturday night (e.g., "1" or "1 3 4"). On Sunday, I will then create a final tally (hopefully). Thanks again for your suggestions! Cheers, Peter

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New systemd update will bring Windows’ infamous Blue Screen of Death to Linux
by Peter Reutemann 18 Nov '24

18 Nov '24

'Windows' infamous "Blue Screen of Death" is a bit of a punchline. People have made a hobby of spotting them out in the wild, and in some circles, they remain a byword for the supposed flakiness and instability of PCs. To this day, networked PCs in macOS are represented by beige CRT monitors displaying a BSOD. But the BSOD is supposed to be a diagnostic tool, an informational screen that technicians can use to begin homing in on the problem that caused the crash in the first place; that old Windows' BSOD error codes were often so broad and vague as to be useless doesn't make the idea a bad one. Today, version 255 of the Linux systemd project honors that original intent by adding a systemd-bsod component that generates a full-screen display of some error messages when a Linux system crashes. The systemd-bsod component is currently listed as "experimental" and "subject to change." But the functionality is simple: any logged error message that reaches the LOG_EMERG level will be displayed full-screen to allow people to take a photo or write it down. Phoronix reports that, as with BSODs in modern Windows, the Linux version will also generate a QR code to make it easier to look up information on your phone.' -- source: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/linux-distros-are-about-to-get-a-ki… Cheers, Peter -- Peter Reutemann Dept. of Computer Science University of Waikato, Hamilton, NZ Mobile +64 22 190 2375 https://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~fracpete/ http://www.data-mining.co.nz/

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European alternatives to US services
by Peter Reutemann 13 Nov '24

13 Nov '24

Hi everyone For people who are thinking of maybe switching US-based services, below is a list of European alternatives: https://european-alternatives.eu/ Came across this on Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@sturmsucht/113470149047788406 Of course, the AlternativeTo site is always worth checking out as well: https://alternativeto.net/ Cheers, Peter

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Debian 12.8 “Bookworm” Released with 68 Bug Fixes and 50 Security Updates
by Peter Reutemann 13 Nov '24

13 Nov '24

'The Debian Project announced today the release and general availability of Debian 12.8 as the seventh ISO update to the latest Debian GNU/Linux 12 “Bookworm” operating system series. Powered by a newer kernel in the Linux 6.1 LTS series, Debian 12.8 is here a little over two months after Debian 12.7 as the seventh point release of Debian Bookworm. Yes, seventh, because Debian 12.3 was never released due to an issue in the EXT4 file system leading to data corruption so it doesn’t count. Debian 12.8 provides those who want to deploy the latest Debian Bookworm operating system on new hardware an up-to-date installation media where they won’t have to download hundreds of updates from the repositories after the installation. In numbers, this new release includes a total of 68 bug fixes for miscellaneous packages and 50 security updates. Details about these security and miscellaneous bug fixes can be found on the release announcement page.' -- source: https://9to5linux.com/debian-12-8-bookworm-released-with-68-bug-fixes-and-5… Cheers, Peter

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decommissioning of mailman server
by Peter Reutemann 11 Nov '24

11 Nov '24

Hi everyone Just received word from the university that, as part of their continuing move to proprietary Microsoft services, they are decommissioning their mailman server instance by December 13th and only university-related lists will be moved to an MS service. This, of course, will affect our WLUG mailing list. Any ideas where to go to? Google Groups*? Other free hosting sites for such a low-traffic list? Cheers, Peter * Not sure about import options (posts/members).

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Re: B. Eagle Burt added you to the wlug_digest group
by Lawrence D'Oliveiro 10 Nov '24

10 Nov '24

Hosted at Microsoft? Oh, the irony. No, thank you.

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Re: wlug Digest, Vol 401, Issue 4
by Ron Dean 09 Nov '24

09 Nov '24

I still like to read the digest very seldom have I posted anynthing On Sat, Nov 9, 2024 at 12:00 AM <wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> wrote: > Send wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of wlug digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: decommissioning of mailman server (DL Neil) > 2. Re: decommissioning of mailman server (Peter Reutemann) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 10:07:55 +1300 > From: DL Neil <NZLUG(a)etelligence.info> > Subject: [wlug] Re: decommissioning of mailman server > To: wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > Message-ID: <a81bf0e4-072a-4013-9b49-66d1e9f0231e(a)etelligence.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Peter Reutemann <fracpete(a)gmail.com>... > > continuing move to proprietary Microsoft services, they are > > decommissioning their mailman server instance by December 13th and > > only university-related lists will be moved to an MS service. This, of > > course, will affect our WLUG mailing list. > > Decommission: long overdue and not up-to-snuff with today's email-world! > > MSFTing: a continuing disappointment, as it's not a real improvement anyway > > > > Any ideas where to go to? Google Groups*? Other free hosting sites for > > such a low-traffic list? > > > Think it may be possible through NZOSS - will make enquiries and revert... > > > On 8/11/24 09:33, Don Gould wrote: > > Do you have a domain name for Wellington lug? > > Oops! > > > -- > Regards =dn > > > -- > Regards =dn > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 10:45:27 +1300 > From: Peter Reutemann <fracpete(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [wlug] Re: decommissioning of mailman server > To: wlug List <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> > Message-ID: > <CAHoQ12JfoXKwy2qxKxMdoD-hU7SM= > 5Tsxgo6Ei1CSNY9DbXJ3Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > Just received word from the university that, as part of their > > continuing move to proprietary Microsoft services, they are > > decommissioning their mailman server instance by December 13th and > > only university-related lists will be moved to an MS service. This, of > > course, will affect our WLUG mailing list. > > > > Any ideas where to go to? Google Groups*? Other free hosting sites for > > such a low-traffic list? > > Thanks for the great feedback so far everyone! > > Important factors for me would be: > - hosted in NZ > - free of charge (we no longer have a charity associated) > - mailman-based or at least support for importing mailman archives > > Please keep the suggestions coming. Early next week, I will compile a > list from the offered solutions and you can show your support for the > various options. > > Cheers, Peter > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list -- wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > > > ------------------------------ > > End of wlug Digest, Vol 401, Issue 4 > ************************************ > -- Ron Dean Unit 61 Village Gardens 16 Rototuna Road Hamilton 3210 New Zealand Home 64 7 8493904 Mob 02102259172

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GIMP 3.0 Release Candidate Is Now Available for Public Testing
by Peter Reutemann 07 Nov '24

07 Nov '24

'The development team behind the popular GIMP open-source image editing software announced today the general availability of the Release Candidate (RC) milestone of the highly anticipated GIMP 3.0 release. Featuring a much-refined interface, GIMP 3.0 introduces massive improvements to color management, a stable public API to allow porting of plug-ins and scripts from the GIMP 2.10 series, support for loading layers from TIFF files saved in the Autodesk Sketchbook format, and support for 64 bits per pixel images for the BMP format. GIMP 3.0 also promises improvements to non-destructive editing by introducing an optional “Merge Filters” checkbox at the bottom of NDE filters that merges down the filter immediately after it’s committed, along with non-destructive filters on layer groups and the implementation of storing version of filters in GIMP’s XCF project files. “This will allow us to update filters in the future without impacting how older project files look when they’re opened. Additional work will be needed in GEGL to fully implement this feature, but that can be done after 3.0 without impacting existing project files,” said the devs. Among other noteworthy changes, the updated UI of GIMP 3.0 allows the use of the mouse scroll wheel to flip through different dockable dialogue tabs, GEGL and babl components have been updated with new features and many improvements, such as Inner Glow, Bevel, and GEGL Styles filters, and some plugins saw small enhancements. On top of all that, GIMP 3.0 also comes with a new logo, a new splash screen, improvements to the legacy icon theme to look great on HiDPI screens, and the ability to export images with different settings while leaving the original image unchanged.' -- source: https://9to5linux.com/gimp-3-0-release-candidate-is-now-available-for-publi… Cheers, Peter

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Linux Mint and Framework Laptops Join Forces
by Peter Reutemann 07 Nov '24

07 Nov '24

'Linux Mint and Framework Laptops Join Forces The October 2024 edition of Linux Mint’s Monthly News brings exciting updates, including a significant announcement about collaboration with Framework Laptops, having potential to advance Mint’s compatibility with hardware designed with flexibility, repairability, and sustainability in mind. For those unfamiliar, unlike most traditional laptops, which are often difficult or impossible to repair or upgrade, Framework laptops are built to be user-friendly, making it easy to replace or upgrade components. This modular approach extends the laptop’s lifespan and promotes sustainability by reducing e-waste. According to Clement Lefebvre, the driving force behind the Linux Mint project, the team recently received Framework’s Laptop 13, and initial impressions are promising. But more importantly, this partnership could open new avenues for Linux Mint, allowing the development team to work with advanced components and technologies featured in Framework’s offerings that haven’t previously been on the project’s radar. Of course, this also means that if compatibility progresses smoothly, Linux Mint could confidently recommend Framework Laptops to its community without hesitation. As Lefebvre noted, the full review of the Laptop 13 will be available in next month’s update, but early sentiments are already positive. Apart from that, the Linux Mint team is currently working on integrating Night Light support into the Cinnamon desktop environment, thus aiming to reduce eye strain for its users. Furthermore, efforts are ongoing to migrate key Cinnamon dialogs to Clutter, enhancing functionality and design. This includes familiar dialogs like the one used to unlock keyrings or confirm display settings.' -- source: https://linuxiac.com/linux-mint-and-framework-laptops-join-forces/ Cheers, Peter

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How to Use Syntax Highlighting in Nano Editor
by Peter Reutemann 07 Nov '24

07 Nov '24

I thought, the following tutorial on how to enable syntax highlighting in nano would be quite a useful one for people commonly using that editor: 'Nano is a simple and user-friendly command-line text editor for Linux, which is often used for basic text editing tasks, such as creating and editing configuration files, scripts, or simple documents. However, many users don’t know that Nano supports syntax highlighting, which can make editing code files easier by coloring different parts of the text (like keywords, variables, and comments) for better visibility. This guide will explain how to enable syntax highlighting in Nano to make your coding experience smoother and more efficient.' -- source: https://www.tecmint.com/nano-editor-syntax-highlighting/ Cheers, Peter

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KDE’s New Distro: Btrfs-Based, Immutable Linux OS, with Flatpak and Snap
by Peter Reutemann 04 Nov '24

04 Nov '24

'Surprises never end. The KDE project is about to take a bold step by introducing its own Linux distribution. Here’s what it’s all about. Introduced at Akademy 2024, KDE Linux (codenamed “Project Banana”) is a brand-new, still-in-development initiative by the KDE devs to bring a seamless, user-friendly experience that merges KDE software’s reliability and rich interface with cutting-edge Linux technologies. Immediately, we want to clarify that this isn’t a rebranded version of the well-known KDE Neon developed by the KDE community. KDE Linux is an entirely new project with a completely different technical approach under the hood and ambitious goals for both developers and end users. The distro is designed to be a bulletproof, highly user-friendly operating system that showcases the best of KDE technology—a system that KDE can confidently recommend to casual users and hardware manufacturers. With an eye on simplicity, the OS will use Btrfs for its file system and introduce an image-based (immutable) approach, allowing users to easily switch between different OS versions, ensuring a secure, flexible experience without the stress of traditional system management. KDE Linux will feature rolling OS updates based on snapshot releases and employs systemd-boot with custom theming. All mutable data, such as user home directories and cache locations, is encrypted for enhanced security. Moreover, the architecture also includes an image-based A/B update mechanism with rollback capabilities and a recovery partition for added resilience. Users can benefit from an automatic backup system using Btrfs snapshots, which includes a user-friendly GUI similar to Apple’s Time Machine. Using Arch as a base, KDE Linux aims to attract a broad audience, including KDE developers, enthusiasts, and hardware vendors. It will include applications from Flatpak (and possibly Snap), helping to keep the core system and applications separate for greater stability.' -- source: https://linuxiac.com/kde-announced-its-kde-linux-distro/ Cheers, Peter

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