March 2006 - wlug - list.wlug.org.nz

what does a good e-mail client need ?
by Gavin Denby 27 May '06

27 May '06

I was reading the cnet article on the need for a mail client to push forward DESKTOP LINUX *E-mail will be the most significant factor governing the uptake of Linux on the desktop, according to a new study. * The Desktop Linux Client Survey 2005, released this week by the Open Source Development Labs, found that the lack of a powerful e-mail application could hinder the adoption of Linux on the desktop. Full story here: http://news.com.com/E-mail+crucial+to+future+of+desktop+Linux/2100-7344_3-5… What I wondered was what does an enterprise e-mail client do that's different from my thunderbird. Is it just the calender? is it notes. I have tried, and hated outlook, probably as I use just e-mail and dont like the complexity of all the other things, but what would happen in an enterprise situation. If you understand this article, can you explain what the novell and mozilla offerings will mean, and will this be the outlook killer. What does outlook do that so vital? Is this another case of its not the same, or are we really missing out on something? any enterprise experince that can help a tech like me understand this ? Is there a really good app for this, could something be done to solve this. After all e-mail is the number 1 app for the net, search is 2 and then web surfing. 2 and 3 are fine, are we missing the boat on 1? I thinks its sufficiently linux related. do we have the Guru's in the lug that could solve this?

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Acceptable use of the WLUG Mailing List
by Meeting Reminder bot 31 Mar '06

31 Mar '06

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Free Remote Access to LinuxPPC64 Servers for Open Source Developers
by Craig Box 28 Mar '06

28 Mar '06

Forwarded from Robert MacFarlan [Robert_MacFarlan(a)us.ibm.com] Hello, I am mailing a few of the more active Linux User Groups in Australia to make them aware of community-based remote access systems that have become available. These systems are open to any Open Source Linux developer interested in developing / porting / or just tinkering w/ Linux on high-performance 64-bit IBM POWER5 or PPC970 systems. In the case of Australian National University's system - brought on-line last week - they are hosting a 4-way system w/ 16GB of RAM. This system can be a great place to test SMP and memory scalability. If any of your members are interested in working on these systems they are more than welcome to request an account. Additional systems will be added in the coming months. Australia National University: (http://clug.anu.edu.au/) Other systems being hosted world-wide include: Oregon State University Open Source Lab - PPC970 running Gentoo ( http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/PPC64/Home) SourceForge.net compile farm - POWER5 running SLES ( http://sourceforge.net/docs/compile_farm#cf_overview) University of Portland Linux on Power Portal - POWER5 running SLES ( http://egr.up.edu:8080/) University of Augsburg Debian on PowerPC - POWER5 running Debian ( http://tuxppc.rz.uni-augsburg.de/) Linux on Power @ Peking University - POWER5 running SLES ( http://ppclinux.pku.edu.cn/) Thank you for your time, and if you have any questions, please feel free to let me know. Cheers, Robert MacFarlan Strategist ISV Global Solutions Enablement IBM

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ANNOUNCE: WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 28 Mar '06

28 Mar '06

The Waikato Linux Users Group have a meeting in one week from today: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for March is Linda Wright. Her talk is entitled ''New Business Models for Open Source (http://www.wlug.org.nz/OpenSource) Advocates and Developers'': ;: "In a nutshell, I plan to survey some of the past Commercial and http://www.wlug.org.nz/OSS business models (from the anarchic and utopian to the present) and discuss some of the commercial implications of these. I then intend to discuss three contemporary OSS business models, their virtues and limitations, and the new trend of large so-called 'old economy' companies solving the problem of OSS competition by buying out start-ups. Then I will move on to talk about the business model of Concentus, which I believe is fairly unique, and how I believe it addresses some of the classical problems that both commercial and OSS developers face with their respective models. Anyone who has ever wondered how the heck you can make money out of supposedly free software should probably attend." Linda Wright is the former Software Development Manager for Toll New Zealand (http://www.tollnz.co.nz) (Corporate). Linda is a native of San Francisco, California and has over 20 years experience in Software Development (http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareEngineering) SDLC Management] and Business Consulting. Some of her personal career highlights include developing one of the world's first Visual Software Development Environments (1989), the creation of a complex problem solving methodology called 'The Resolution of Complexity' (1992), and a http://www.wlug.org.nz/patent for a Telephonic Transaction System (1998) (http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-CIMAGES/view/pct/getbykey5?KEY=00/18088.000330) Linda is the managing director of a film production company called Pretty Good Productions Ltd, and has recently formed Concentus Ltd, an [Auckland-based technology company. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato (http://www.wlug.org.nz/UniversityOfWaikato) Meeting will start at 7:30pm. Refreshments will be available afterwards.

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting tonight!
by Meeting Reminder Bot 26 Mar '06

26 Mar '06

There's a WLUG meeting tonight: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for March is Linda Wright. Her talk is entitled ''New Business Models for Open Source (http://www.wlug.org.nz/OpenSource) Advocates and Developers'': ;: "In a nutshell, I plan to survey some of the past Commercial and http://www.wlug.org.nz/OSS business models (from the anarchic and utopian to the present) and discuss some of the commercial implications of these. I then intend to discuss three contemporary OSS business models, their virtues and limitations, and the new trend of large so-called 'old economy' companies solving the problem of OSS competition by buying out start-ups. Then I will move on to talk about the business model of Concentus, which I believe is fairly unique, and how I believe it addresses some of the classical problems that both commercial and OSS developers face with their respective models. Anyone who has ever wondered how the heck you can make money out of supposedly free software should probably attend." Linda Wright is the former Software Development Manager for Toll New Zealand (http://www.tollnz.co.nz) (Corporate). Linda is a native of San Francisco, California and has over 20 years experience in Software Development (http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareEngineering) SDLC Management] and Business Consulting. Some of her personal career highlights include developing one of the world's first Visual Software Development Environments (1989), the creation of a complex problem solving methodology called 'The Resolution of Complexity' (1992), and a http://www.wlug.org.nz/patent for a Telephonic Transaction System (1998) (http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-CIMAGES/view/pct/getbykey5?KEY=00/18088.000330) Linda is the managing director of a film production company called Pretty Good Productions Ltd, and has recently formed Concentus Ltd, an [Auckland-based technology company. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato (http://www.wlug.org.nz/UniversityOfWaikato) Meeting will start at 7:30pm. Refreshments will be available afterwards.

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Squid - Proxy Auth - Firewall
by Jodi Thomson 24 Mar '06

24 Mar '06

Hi all I'm wanting to setup Squid to use proxy auth against Active Directory. That seems straightforward enough. However I am having trouble in figuring out whether or not to put Squid internally or inside the DMZ for this to work The firewall re will be running is a Juniper NetScreen-25. The DMZ is comprised of real-world IP's, internally it's all private IP Does any one have any experience in this? Cheers Jodi ___________________________________________________ Jodi Thomson, Mr (BA, A+, MCP) IT Support Engineer - Turbo Investments Group Ltd Phone: +64 6 834-0537 ext 1008 cell: +64 21 799 961 jodi.thomson(a)turbogroup.co.nz "Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before." DISCLAIMER: This electronic message together with any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, do not copy, disclose or use the contents in any way. Please also advise us by return e-mail that you have received the message and then please destroy. Turbo Investments Group Ltd is not responsible for any changes made to this message and / or any attachments after sending by Turbo Investments Group Ltd. We use virus scanning software but exclude all liability for viruses or anything similar in this email or any attachment.

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REMINDER: WLUG meeting is on Monday
by Meeting Reminder Bot 23 Mar '06

23 Mar '06

There's a Waikato Linux Users Group meeting on Monday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Our guest for March is Linda Wright. Her talk is entitled ''New Business Models for Open Source (http://www.wlug.org.nz/OpenSource) Advocates and Developers'': ;: "In a nutshell, I plan to survey some of the past Commercial and http://www.wlug.org.nz/OSS business models (from the anarchic and utopian to the present) and discuss some of the commercial implications of these. I then intend to discuss three contemporary OSS business models, their virtues and limitations, and the new trend of large so-called 'old economy' companies solving the problem of OSS competition by buying out start-ups. Then I will move on to talk about the business model of Concentus, which I believe is fairly unique, and how I believe it addresses some of the classical problems that both commercial and OSS developers face with their respective models. Anyone who has ever wondered how the heck you can make money out of supposedly free software should probably attend." Linda Wright is the former Software Development Manager for Toll New Zealand (http://www.tollnz.co.nz) (Corporate). Linda is a native of San Francisco, California and has over 20 years experience in Software Development (http://www.wlug.org.nz/SoftwareEngineering) SDLC Management] and Business Consulting. Some of her personal career highlights include developing one of the world's first Visual Software Development Environments (1989), the creation of a complex problem solving methodology called 'The Resolution of Complexity' (1992), and a http://www.wlug.org.nz/patent for a Telephonic Transaction System (1998) (http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-CIMAGES/view/pct/getbykey5?KEY=00/18088.000330) Linda is the managing director of a film production company called Pretty Good Productions Ltd, and has recently formed Concentus Ltd, an [Auckland-based technology company. Location is TW.2.07 (http://www.wlug.org.nz/TW) at the University of Waikato (http://www.wlug.org.nz/UniversityOfWaikato) Meeting will start at 7:30pm. Refreshments will be available afterwards.

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kernel for p4 (kinda OT)
by Glenn Enright 23 Mar '06

23 Mar '06

Anyone have some ideas why they never built an arch for p4 CPUs into the kernel? I realize that these are covered by i386. A little while ago, after looking round a bit in a custom tree and creating a p4 arch myself (Im not a programmer BTW, just hacking, pruned out some 'surplus' code mostly, using 2.6.14), a clean build ran in *lots* less time. No runtime benchmarks, but response times were also definately better, and had no issues with drivers or anything. Used gcc 3.4.5 too. It wasnt quite as stable so I did something wrong somewhere, but it seems odd there was no real demand for this arch. Especially since p4s have been around for so long. BTW I did have a look on google, but mostly found newbies asking the same question with no response or devs saying they couldnt be bothered lol. Just seems a shame to waste potential if its there :). Comments? -- No outsider has ever seen a Tleilaxu female and lived to tell about it. Considering the Tleilaxu penchant for genetic manipulation -- see, e.g., related memos on clones and gholas -- this simple observation raises a wealth of additional questions. -- Bene Gesserit Analysis

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Re: [wlug] URL for page of Wiki articles to add
by David Hallett 23 Mar '06

23 Mar '06

At 14:07 23/03/2006, you wrote: >I can't remember what the URL for this is - the page which lists all >the articles that need to be created... > >Can anybody tell me what this is as I feel like writing Wiki pages at >the moment for some reason... http://www.wlug.org.nz/WantedWikis Is that what you're looking for? Regards, _____________________________ David Hallett, BSc, MNZCS Managing Director Pulsar Computer Solutions Ltd P.O. Box 15-516, Hamilton, New Zealand Mob: +64-21-802 256 Fax: +64-7-846 3677 www.pulsar.net.nz

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URL for page of Wiki articles to add
by Ian McDonald 23 Mar '06

23 Mar '06

I can't remember what the URL for this is - the page which lists all the articles that need to be created... Can anybody tell me what this is as I feel like writing Wiki pages at the moment for some reason... -- Ian McDonald Web: http://wand.net.nz/~iam4 Blog: http://imcdnzl.blogspot.com WAND Network Research Group Department of Computer Science University of Waikato New Zealand

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