August 2003 - wlug - list.wlug.org.nz

Just looking for Andrew Thrift
by Adrian Kitto 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

Hi, Can Andrew please mail me back? Or can someone please provide me with his e-mail address? Regards Adrian Kitto

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Committee meeting
by Craig Box 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

As per the decision at the last WLUG society committee meeting, subsequent committee meetings will be not be held alongside WLUG presentation meetings, but instead will be held the Thursday prior. I remind everyone there is a WLUG-Committee list that society members are welcome to join but cannot post to. (See http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug-committee) If anyone has any items they wish to have bought before the WLUG committee, please email them to me before Wednesday afternoon; they will be assembled into an agenda for the meeting at that point. Craig WLUG Secretary

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WLUG meeting is one week away
by Meeting Reminder Bot 17 Aug '03

17 Aug '03

Today is 18/08/2003 The WLUG meeting is one week away Monday 25 August, 7:30pm Introduction to the BSD Family of Operating Systems, presented by MatthewLuckie. Synopsis and location to be announced. Stay tuned. _________________________________________________________________

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Re: [wlug] ragger's newbie again: to make a file executable
by sable drum 16 Aug '03

16 Aug '03

thanks for that! i hope there is an easier approach -- would a mandrake file manager do this automatically? i must check it out a bit more. i might just take up your offer again re: next meeting. i almost have things sorted and then someother unknown crops up -- drives me crazy. part of learning....:-) sigh m >From: Daniel Lawson <daniel(a)meta.net.nz> >Reply-To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Subject: Re: [wlug] ragger's newbie again: to make a file executable >Date: 15 Aug 2003 08:00:39 +1200 > > > > so, let me get this straight. the device is mounted ok, the file is on >the > > harddrive, now i am simply telling the OS to fetch it and install it. >and > > the "cdroaster 1.12" is the name regardless of what the file appears to >be > > called in the file manager? i didn't try that name with chmod coz i >thought > > i had a different version.... > >You will need to use the name that relates to the version you actually >have. I still suspect there is any easier way of doing this than the >approach you are taking, but I dont have the familiarity with Mandrake >to offer assistance via email (or phone, or irc). > > >I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to look at your machine last meeting - >the committee meeting took a LOT longer than we expected. I don't think >the location for the next meeting has been announced, but if it is going >to be at Crawshaw School, then you are welcome to bring your machine >along (turn up a bit early if you can, 7 ish) and we'll try to get >things working there. Crawshaw has a 'net connection so we can download >anything we need to (Radio Clubrooms dont, makes it hard for fixing >machines in a lot of cases). > > > > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list >wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Download MSN Messenger @ http://messenger.xtramsn.co.nz - talk to family and friends overseas!

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Re: [wlug] ragger's newbie again: to make a file executable
by sable drum 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

thanks for that. i will try it out fri or sat so, let me get this straight. the device is mounted ok, the file is on the harddrive, now i am simply telling the OS to fetch it and install it. and the "cdroaster 1.12" is the name regardless of what the file appears to be called in the file manager? i didn't try that name with chmod coz i thought i had a different version.... so making it executable means that when i go back to the GUI for cdroast, the permission to write will be "yes" instead of "no" and once every file is read, it will burn?? are we that close to making it happen? even in this weird post full moon period?? >From: Perry Lorier <perry(a)coders.net> >Reply-To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Subject: Re: [wlug] ragger's newbie again: to make a file executable >Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:24:12 +1200 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid5800 > >Hmm, I think you ment >http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5800 > ^ > > > and am stuck at the part that says "make file executable" > > using chmod and g group something > >You mean: > chmod 700 cdrtoaster-1.12 > usermod -G cdwrite username > >? > >The author is suggesting you do this so you can install this software from >scratch. > >So you download it >then type "chmod 700 cdrtoaster-1.12" in the directory that >"cdrtoaster-1.12" exists in. > > > this feels really silly but i cannot figure out what is the correct file > > name for my file -- i use the one that is on the file as displayed in >the > > file manager but chmod does not find it. > > > > what am i doing wrong???? > > > > thanks folks from me here in raggers town is overcast and it is full >moon, > > which is always dangerous on one level or another. :-) > >Heh! The bugs will be out in force tonight! > >- -- >My mind is making ashtrays in Dayton ... >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid > >iD8DBQE/OM5bcAgRpy8z8UQRAsfOAJ9+P2JK8KMg+P+eHKgv70nP7P+GCQCfVxg/ >4S6ShDaVEKdc0n8aBqL/+m8= >=RXqd >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list >wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Download MSN Messenger @ http://messenger.xtramsn.co.nz - add your friends!

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Common Install Standard
by edward＠murrell.co.nz 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

Hi all. Below is a submission for standard that I'm working on. I'd appreciate thoughts, comments, and ideas. Recently, I have been working over strategies for Linux on the desktop. In particular, I've been comparing usability of system administration tasks to Windows 2K/XP and Mac OS X, the main contenders on the desktop. System administration tasks are done by almost everybody who owns a computer. It's not only things like applying security patch's, but includes mundane things like cleaning out old files, changing thedial-up number for your ISP, and installing and removing software. The last point is a bit of contention under Linux. Sure, apt-get, urmpi, and the like make it easy to get and install the latest open source software from your favourite vendor, but they don't cover 'other'software. Third party, and closed source software is somewhat more difficult. Third party applications are often found on CDs, and quite often the vendor may not be around any more. While there are many arguments for and against closed source software, the fact is that it exists, and it needs to be installed, maintained, and eventually, removed. A common example of popular third party applications are games. Currently, every vendor has their own method of handling the installation and (optionally) removal of software. This is often handled by scripts, Make files, or an GUI application stored somewhere on the file system, perhaps on the original CD. This is confusing for the end user, and to be brutally honest, it's a mess. While it is possible to statically compile libraries, it's not exactly reasonable to have binary files with every single piece of information required to run a program. Things like icons, sound, data, andconfiguration files all often need to be accessible to the user and other programs. One possibility, that I put forward here, is for a simple install and uninstall system, based around symlinks, and a common applications directory. The application, to all outward appearances in most common file browsers, would appear as a file, but it's really a directory. Let us assume the application is called 'Foo'. Foo consists of binary files, supporting libraries, icons, configuration files usually found in /etc/, and so on. We can express most of these in terms of where they normally fit in the unix file system. A few, mainly icons, and programsshortcuts, vary from environment to environment. The 'Applications' folder is accessible from the users Control panel as a special directory, allowing write access with sudo and the rootpassword. The folder itself would most likely sit in somewhere like /usr/local/Applications/. Thus, our application 'Foo', would be in /usr/local/Applications/Foo/. It's file structure would look something like this: /usr/local/Applications/Foo/ /usr/local/Applications/Foo/icon.svg /usr/local/Applications/Foo/description.txt /usr/local/Applications/Foo/main -> ./tree/usr/local/bin/foo /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/usr/bin/foo /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/usr/lib/foo/libfoo.so /usr/local/Applications/Foo/install/etc/foo/foo.conf /usr/local/Applications/Foo/home/.foo/ To install, symlinks from are made from /usr/bin/foo and /usr/lib/foo/ and /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/usr/lib/foo/ to/usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/usr/bin/foo, and to /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/usr/lib/foo/. A copy of /usr/local/Applications/Foo/install/etc/foo/foo.conf is made to /etc/, so that changes made to the configuration do not affect the original files of the program. At the most basic level, Foo/ needs to be copied from it's original source to /usr/local/Applications/ and a script run to copy files in Foo/install/ and make symlinks of the files in Foo/tree/. However, this allows for much greater usability. The file Foo/icon.svg can replace the standard folder icon, and Foo/description.txt can contain multiple language descriptions of the program, to be read by any program used to handle the installation and removal of applications. On moreuser-friendly systems, double clicking on the icon for the program on a CD would prompt the user if they wish to install the program. Attempting to delete the 'program' from the Applications directory would prompt the user if they wish to 'uninstall'. The computer would then remove the symlinks and any configuration files. It also allows the program to ask if the user wishes to remove the system configuration files, originally copied from the the Foo/install/ directory, and user configuration files, originally copied from the Foo/home/ directory. Other benefits of this method come to mind. Source installed packages, for example, Mplayer, instead of being installed directly into the file system, is instead copied into /usr/local/Applications/mplayer/, and installed in the above manner. Mplayer can then be copied easily to other systems, and removed easily. It is also fairly easy to install such applications in systems that do not support it 'natively'. Although a simple shell script is all that is required to 'install' the programs, files can easily be symlinked and copied by hand if need be. I will emphasise again that this system is not meant to replace things link apt-get and rpm, but sit alongside them, and provide a common simple platform independent way of installing third party software.

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The Hamilton PC users group meeting is tonight
by Meeting Reminder Bot 12 Aug '03

12 Aug '03

The The Hamilton PC users group meeting is tonight This is an announcement about the Hamilton PC Users Group, not the next WLUG meeting. Feel free to ignore it. If you're interested in the PC Users Group they meet about 7:30pm on the second Wednesday of each month at St Peters Cathedral Hall, which is up the hill at the South End of Victoria Street. They also have a website at http://crash.ihug.co.nz/~jonali/, but it was last modified 09/07/1999 and appears to be out of date.

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ragger's newbie again: to make a file executable
by sable drum 12 Aug '03

12 Aug '03

hi! i am learning how to use cdroast on mandrake 9.0. i have checked that the ide-scsi diver is indeed loaded and i can check that i have a functional burner at cd level using cdrecord -scanbus. both parts a-ok! now, along with wlug advice from last week or so, i am using advice from this article http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid5800 and am stuck at the part that says "make file executable" using chmod and g group something this feels really silly but i cannot figure out what is the correct file name for my file -- i use the one that is on the file as displayed in the file manager but chmod does not find it. what am i doing wrong???? thanks folks from me here in raggers town is overcast and it is full moon, which is always dangerous on one level or another. :-) _________________________________________________________________ Surf the net and talk on the phone with Xtra Jetstream @ http://www.xtra.co.nz/products/0,,5803,00.html !

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RE: [nznog] RPC DCOM Worm On The Loose
by Lindsay Druett 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

Yep... We have live one :-) Secure your Windows Servers, upgrade them to Linux :-) > For those who have not read /. Yet > http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?date=2003-08-11 > > For those who cant read the link > Here is a cut and paste > > > This RPC DCOM worm started spreading early afternoon EDT > (evening UTC). At this point, it is spreading rapidly. > > ********** > NOTE: PRELIMINARY. Do not base your incidents response solely > on this writeup. ********** > > Increase in port 135 activity: > http://isc.sans.org/images/port135percent.png > > Latest update: The worm may launch a syn flood against > windowsupdate.com on the 16th. (unconfirmed) > > The worm uses the RPC DCOM vulnerability to propagate. One it > finds a vulnerable system, it will spawn a shell on port 4444 > and use it to download the actual worm via tftp. The exploit > itself is very close to 'dcom.c' and so far appears to use > the "universal Win2k" offset only. > > The name of the binary is msblast.exe. It is packed with UPX > and will self extract. The size of the binary is about > 11kByte unpacked, and 6kBytes packed: > > MD5sum packed: 5ae700c1dffb00cef492844a4db6cd69 (6176 Bytes) > > So far we found the following properties: > > - Scans sequentially for machines with open port 135, > starting at a presumably random IP address > - uses multiple TFTP servers to pull the binary > - adds a registry key to start itself after reboot > > Name of registry key: > SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run, name: 'windows > auto update' > > Strings of interest: > > msblast.exe > I just want to say LOVE YOU SAN!! > billy gates why do you make this possible ? Stop making money > and fix your software!! windowsupdate.com start %s tftp -i %s > GET %s %d.%d.%d.%d %i.%i.%i.%i BILLY windows auto update > SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run > > Existing RPC DCOM snort signatures will detect this worm. The > worm is based on dcom.c > > known tftp servers for this worm: > > 204.210.57.87 > 217.211.179.193 > 24.147.64.171 > 24.147.64.205 > 24.147.64.208 > 24.147.65.146 > 24.147.65.45 > 24.147.65.9 > 61.254.65.159 > 67.119.36.219 > 68.112.65.38 > 68.166.102.136 > 68.166.107.21 > 68.166.111.175 > 68.166.120.34 > 68.166.121.135 > 68.166.123.4 > 68.166.124.186 > 68.166.124.93 > 68.166.139.155 > 68.166.139.210 > 68.166.141.66 > 68.166.142.194 > 68.166.142.215 > 68.166.36.178 > 68.166.56.123 > 68.166.60.51 > 68.166.98.3 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nznog mailing list > Nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nzn> og > >

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Hamilton PC Users Group meeting is tomorrow night
by Meeting Reminder Bot 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

The Hamilton PC Users Group meeting is tomorrow night This is an announcement about the Hamilton PC Users Group, not the next WLUG meeting. Feel free to ignore it. If you're interested in the PC Users Group they meet about 7:30pm on the second Wednesday of each week at St Peters Cathedral Hall, which is up the hill at the South End of Victoria Street. They also have a website at http://crash.ihug.co.nz/~jonali/, but it was last modified 09/07/1999 and appears to be out of date.

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RE: [wlug] The Wiki
by Lindsay Druett 11 Aug '03

11 Aug '03

> Some kind soul had the mark-up fixed within minutes. > > Next morning, I went back to the page to view the masterpiece > of the night before. It was gone, refactored out of > existence by some guy in Europe :-) > Now let me guess who that is... It must be Aristotle Pagaltzis

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The Wiki
by Perry Lorier 10 Aug '03

10 Aug '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Since we're unlikely to get much traffic to the wiki for the next while from google, perhaps we should do something else to get the traffic up. I propose we have another week of trying to put information into the Wiki. For those of you that haven't tried to contribute, goto http://www.wlug.org.nz/ and find a page, and click the "Edit" button at the bottom. It'll ask you for your name, you can put anything there, just take your first and last names, capitalise them and mush them together, thus "Perry Lorier" -> "PerryLorier". Then edit the page. If you don't know what to add, check out * http://www.wlug.org.nz/HelpingOut * http://www.wlug.org.nz/WantedWikis (generated regularly) Also, perhaps look at what searches people are doing * http://www.wlug.org.nz/webalizer/ * http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/querys-recent.txt or, if you want a nice long download * http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/querys.txt Perhaps also try reviews of software you've used, or questions you want answers to. If everyone adds one page a day for 5 days, we will have a huge impact on the amount of extra information in the wiki when google decides to readd us to the index :) - -- I smell a RANCID CORN DOG! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Only when you are sure they have you, can you stop being paranoid iD8DBQE/NPYtcAgRpy8z8UQRAhYiAJ9+YD656zCD0Bh+u2AOKQ9e8FRIOgCeNw3R Jqmktw0eddX/6pBo7B+ZCuA= =b/XM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Google searches
by Gavin Grieve 09 Aug '03

09 Aug '03

Is it just me or have we fallen off Googles radar? I've tried a few searches including (without the quotes - they just show what i searched for) "wlug", "waikato linux users group", "linux afsnotes", "linux wlug ipv6" and i didn't get a single hit for the wiki. I did get a few hits for "waikato linux users group" that referred to the mailing list, or links from other sites. Has enabling ipv6 on www.wlug.org.nz broken googles ability to access the wiki and provide links to it? Just a thought - not sure what else could be the problem. Ideas? Gavin Grieve

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Re: [wlug] Learning the CLI ... using the wiki as well
by Jared Wigmore 09 Aug '03

09 Aug '03

> I think that the offer that we have for live CLI> tutorials using Rute> is great. But we need also to provide ongoing help.> Is it possible> to make further use of our excellent infrastructure:> the wiki? Can> we have portions of the rute with comments from us> and perhaps with> one or more people proof-reading this part of the> wiki?I think we could. I might be a proof-reader; I've been almost obsessive-compulsive about error correction the last few years. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities! Try Yahoo! Personals, FREE for a limited period!

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kppp sucky-motto
by S Swami 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

'top(1)' tells me that my ppp connection from the console (while in X) takes significantly less memory than kppp: ------------------------------------------------------------------- # X usage for comparison PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 390 root 18 0 16880 9268 3444 R 3.6 7.3 8:12.19 X # dial-up connection via console PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 24477 root 8 0 876 872 732 S 0.0 0.7 0:00.01 pppd # and then later dial-up connection via kppp PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 25070 sns 9 0 13012 12m 11m S 0.0 10.3 0:01.34 kppp 25071 root 9 0 8080 8080 7624 S 0.0 6.4 0:00.01 kppp ------------------------------------------------------------------- Any advice will be appreciated. (I know what Craig's thinking :) Cheers, Sid.

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geek.nz
by Oliver Jones 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

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Re: [wlug] Some things I use.
by Martin Baehr 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

Distribution: debian Instant Messaging: none -> sTeam Web Browser: firebird Email: mutt IRC: ircii (to lazy to look for something better :-), roxenchat (not irc) Music (Ogg/MP3): xmms, mplayer... Movie players: mplayer (works always) (never seen xine working) Office Suite: none Remote Access/Control: ssh PDF: gv Graphics: gimp Image Viewer: xzgv (am not entirely happy with it, but others are worse) Text/Code Editor: vi Personal Finance: vi (i have a text file where i write down all my expenses) Servers: Caudium, sTeam, wwwoffle (occasionally) Window Manager: Window Maker Office: screen (in servers in austria) (the office is the place where you have all the tools you need to do your office work. all i need is a terminal running ssh (putty if necessary) and a network-connection, add a browser and my office is complete) greetings, martin. -- Pike Conference 2003 - Sep 25-27 - http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/ -- interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration anywhere in the world. -- pike programmer working in europe open-steam.org unix system- bahai.or.at iaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at administrator (stuts|black.linux-m68k).org is.(schon.org|root.at) Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/

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Domain Names NZ Scam
by Daniel Appleton 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

*- Quote --- Domain Names NZ Published at 11:09, 05/08/2003 The Domain Name Commissioner is aware of a mass mail out by an entity trading as "Domain Names NZ". "Domain Names NZ" appears to be sending pro forma letters to registrants of .co.nz domain names. The letters seek fees for the registration of the .net.nz version of the same name. The Domain Name Commissioner is not aware of any authorised .nz domain name registrar using the trade name "Domain Names NZ". The letters to registrants specify a .net.nz domain name to be registered. Bona fide .nz domain name registrars are not permitted to specify a particular domain name in an offer of registry services. The letters are also in a printed form that looks similar to an invoice or a renewal notice. This may cause confusion. Registrants who have recently received what appears to be an invoice or a renewal notice are strongly advised to look carefully at all details before paying any sum requested. Registrants are strongly advised to be cautious before proceeding with any registration offered in a letter from Domain Names NZ. Registrants are also reminded that they are under no obligation to proceed with the registration and that doing nothing will not affect their current domain name. The DNC is monitoring the situation and will investigate any possible breaches of .nz policy. If people have concerns about the actions of Domain Names NZ please email info(a)dnc.org.nz *- End Quote --- I too recieved mail from these fools today. I wrote them a letter in vivid over what they send me and I'm gonna post it back to them. :) -- Daniel http://dapples.net.nz/ -- http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities! Try Yahoo! Personals, FREE for a limited period!

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RE: [wlug] Some things I use.
by Lindsay Druett 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

Hey Jamie or Daniel Do you have the Debian CD handy ? -----Original Message----- From: Lindsay Druett Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 14:00 To: wlug Subject: RE: [wlug] Some things I use. Things I use... WinXP Outlook Media Player (Playing Gatecrasher) Notepad Cisco TFTP 5x Putty 2x Windows Explorer Folders and now 1x Error Report... "Would you like to send this error report to Microsoft ?" -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 12:20 To: wlug Subject: Re: [wlug] Some things I use. The problem I have with mplayer at the moment is with some windows media playing the sound lagged by about 2 seconds. I can watch the videos but the sound is out of sync. Ah well, at least it kinda works. :) On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 10:00, edward(a)murrell.co.nz wrote: Funny, I use debian as well, but I've always had issues getting mplayer to behave intelligently. It works, but I end up with this weird thing where it will refuse to fullscreen. I've managed to get to work a few times, but it's not as simple as say, just apt-get install xine-ui totem w32codecs, which seem to have intelligent defaults for controls, and handle any file I throw at it (short of real player crap). Although to be fair, if you don't grab the w32codecs deb package (it's somewhere on apt-get.org) pretty much nothing works. I think there's also something you have to run for DVDs to play properly... but I don't have a DVD player, so I can't really comment. > Distribution: debian > Instant Messaging: none -> sTeam > Movie players: mplayer (works always) (never seen xine working) > (the office is the place where you have all the tools you need to do > your office work. all i need is a terminal running ssh (putty if > necessary) and a network-connection, add a browser and my office is > complete) > Another app/server I've started using is TeamSpeak. It is really good voice chat server for use when playing Battlefield 1942 (or other online games). You could also use it for conference calls I guess. It's not OpenSource unfortunately. But it is available as Windows & Linux client/server. It's written in Kylix/Delphi so it has a QT GUI and the server is admin'd via HTTP. It uses a number of different codecs. Including the OpenSource Speex codec which seems to be the best at low bandwidths. > <http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/> http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/ -- > interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen > training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration Pike is an interesting language. Didn't it grow out of LPC (used to create MudOS + Nightmare MUDlib)? Regards -- Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. <mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> oliver(a)deeper.co.nz § <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com § +64 (21) 41-2238

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crossover office
by Wayne D. Garton 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

Hello all, Thanks for your help with crossover office trial yesterday. It worked. Instead of CTrl Alt F3 I right clicked the desktop (as suggested) and chose terminal. I assume that Ctrl Alt F3 takes you right out of X windows and I also assume that SU means Super user and is the same as Logon / Root Excel now runs sweetly in gnome. I have to say Excel opens my pricebooks from suppliers far, far better than open office (which crashes or runs very slow on about half of the pricebooks) They are just too big or have too many bookmarks. Since the suppliers collectively send me a dozen or so spreadsheets a week, this is quite a big issue. Quatro Pro in Windows environment does a much better job of opening suppliers' pricebooks than open office or any of the Linux ones I have loaded on gnome or KDE. -- Cheers, Wayne D. Garton

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RE: [wlug] Some things I use.
by Lindsay Druett 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

I'm on my way :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: mglb1-forwarding > Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 14:10 > To: wlug > Subject: RE: [wlug] Some things I use. > > > /nick Jamie or Daniel > > We have the woody iso on the cd burning machine in G1.02 :) > > Come on up. > > > On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Lindsay Druett wrote: > > > Hey Jamie or Daniel > > > > Do you have the Debian CD handy ? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lindsay Druett > > Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 14:00 > > To: wlug > > Subject: RE: [wlug] Some things I use. > > > > > > Things I use... > > > > WinXP > > Outlook > > Media Player (Playing Gatecrasher) > > Notepad > > Cisco TFTP > > 5x Putty > > 2x Windows Explorer Folders > > and now 1x Error Report... "Would you like to send this > error report > > to Microsoft ?" > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] > > Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 12:20 > > To: wlug > > Subject: Re: [wlug] Some things I use. > > > > > > The problem I have with mplayer at the moment is with some windows > > media playing the sound lagged by about 2 seconds. I can watch the > > videos but the sound is out of sync. Ah well, at least it kinda > > works. :) > > > > On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 10:00, edward(a)murrell.co.nz wrote: > > > > Funny, I use debian as well, but I've always had issues getting > > mplayer to > > > > behave intelligently. It works, but I end up with this weird thing > > where > > > > it will refuse to fullscreen. I've managed to get to work a > few times, > > but > > > > it's not as simple as say, just apt-get install xine-ui totem > > w32codecs, > > > > which seem to have intelligent defaults for controls, and > handle any > > file > > > > I throw at it (short of real player crap). > > > > Although to be fair, if you don't grab the w32codecs deb > package (it's > > > > somewhere on apt-get.org) pretty much nothing works. I > think there's > > also > > > > something you have to run for DVDs to play properly... but I don't > > have a > > > > DVD player, so I can't really comment. > > > > > > > Distribution: debian > > > > > Instant Messaging: none -> sTeam > > > > > Movie players: mplayer (works always) (never seen > xine working) > > > > > (the office is the place where you have all the tools you > need to do > > > > > your office work. all i need is a terminal running ssh (putty if > > > > > necessary) and a network-connection, add a browser and my > office is > > > > > complete) > > > > > > > > > > > Another app/server I've started using is TeamSpeak. It is > really good > > voice chat server for use when playing Battlefield 1942 (or other > > online games). You could also use it for conference calls > I guess. > > It's not OpenSource unfortunately. But it is available as > Windows & > > Linux client/server. It's written in Kylix/Delphi so it > has a QT GUI > > and the server is admin'd via HTTP. It uses a number of different > > codecs. Including the OpenSource Speex codec which seems to be the > > best at low bandwidths. > > > > > > > > > <http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/> > > > http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/ -- > > > > > interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen > > > > > training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system > administration > > > > > > Pike is an interesting language. Didn't it grow out of LPC > (used to > > create MudOS + Nightmare MUDlib)? > > > > Regards > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. > > <mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> oliver(a)deeper.co.nz § > > <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com § +64 > (21) 41-2238 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Matt Brown > matt(a)mattb.net.nz > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlu> g > >

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RE: [wlug] Some things I use.
by Lindsay Druett 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

Things I use... WinXP Outlook Media Player (Playing Gatecrasher) Notepad Cisco TFTP 5x Putty 2x Windows Explorer Folders and now 1x Error Report... "Would you like to send this error report to Microsoft ?" -----Original Message----- From: Oliver Jones [mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2003 12:20 To: wlug Subject: Re: [wlug] Some things I use. The problem I have with mplayer at the moment is with some windows media playing the sound lagged by about 2 seconds. I can watch the videos but the sound is out of sync. Ah well, at least it kinda works. :) On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 10:00, edward(a)murrell.co.nz wrote: Funny, I use debian as well, but I've always had issues getting mplayer to behave intelligently. It works, but I end up with this weird thing where it will refuse to fullscreen. I've managed to get to work a few times, but it's not as simple as say, just apt-get install xine-ui totem w32codecs, which seem to have intelligent defaults for controls, and handle any file I throw at it (short of real player crap). Although to be fair, if you don't grab the w32codecs deb package (it's somewhere on apt-get.org) pretty much nothing works. I think there's also something you have to run for DVDs to play properly... but I don't have a DVD player, so I can't really comment. > Distribution: debian > Instant Messaging: none -> sTeam > Movie players: mplayer (works always) (never seen xine working) > (the office is the place where you have all the tools you need to do > your office work. all i need is a terminal running ssh (putty if > necessary) and a network-connection, add a browser and my office is > complete) > Another app/server I've started using is TeamSpeak. It is really good voice chat server for use when playing Battlefield 1942 (or other online games). You could also use it for conference calls I guess. It's not OpenSource unfortunately. But it is available as Windows & Linux client/server. It's written in Kylix/Delphi so it has a QT GUI and the server is admin'd via HTTP. It uses a number of different codecs. Including the OpenSource Speex codec which seems to be the best at low bandwidths. > <http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/> http://pike.ida.liu.se/conferences/2003/ -- > interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen > training, sTeam/caudium/roxen and/or unix system administration Pike is an interesting language. Didn't it grow out of LPC (used to create MudOS + Nightmare MUDlib)? Regards -- Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. <mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> oliver(a)deeper.co.nz § <http://www.deeperdesign.com> www.deeperdesign.com § +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] crossover office
by Matt Brown 05 Aug '03

05 Aug '03

Hi Wayne, As the previous two responses have hit on you need to have X windows running. However as far as I know you do not necessarily have to be root to install crossover office I have purchased the full version and it installed and ran from my user account without any problems whatsoever. So if you are just setting it up for personal use on your own workstation then don't bother with becoming root. The reason that I am suggesting that you do not become root is that when you use su (or similar) to become root much of your environment (particularly the DISPLAY variable which tells programs where to find Xwindows) is lost and could be what is causing your error below. On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Wayne D. Garton wrote: > Hello , > Wayne here .. absolute beginner! > Somebody on this list suggested I use Crossover office to run Excel. > However I need help. I have a 30 day trial of Crossover. > > I have installed the file install-crossover-office-demo-2[1].0.1.sh > in a folder downloads off home > I typed sh install-crossover-office-demo-2[1].0.1.sh > after pressing Ctrl Alt F3 and logging on as root. > > The install for this product loads and then comes back to command > prompt and says ... > The diplay variable is not set. You should either login as root or use > the command "su" with no flags, to make sure setup has an X display to > use. > What now? > -- Matt Brown matt(a)mattb.net.nz

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Re: [wlug] How many would be interested in a newbie class.
by Gene Smith 04 Aug '03

04 Aug '03

I may have Two others to come along, please let me know the details so I can schedule them in. thanks, Gene. >From: "Yi-Chun Chu" <chiamin(a)ihug.co.nz> >Reply-To: wlug <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >To: "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Subject: Re: [wlug] How many would be interested in a newbie class. >Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:04:38 +1200 > >I am interseted to learn what is under the hood of linux installation. In >particular, partitioning a hardisk. And dual boot system. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gavin Denby" <redhat(a)ihug.co.nz> >To: <rod-a(a)hnpl.net>; "wlug" <wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz> >Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 7:06 PM >Subject: Re: [wlug] How many would be interested in a newbie class. > > > > Thanks to all who have offered to help, Not bad for a group "turning > > their backs on newbies" but I am in the incredible position where we > > have about 5 willing to help and about 2 wanting help. I'm all for low > > student/teacher ratios but 3 teachers per student seem a little > > excessive. > > > > Well watch and see, but at present this looks like a small group, and > > easy to run. > > > > What we might do however is have a night/whatever where several > > different distos are presented and the user explaining why he/she/it > > likes that particular distro. I'm sure you would be a good rep for > > mandrake. > > > > Thanks for all the hands up we have had, but really I need to know how > > many would like to learn from scratch about linux. > > > >_______________________________________________ >wlug mailing list >wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz >http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Download MSN Messenger @ http://messenger.xtramsn.co.nz - add your friends!

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Re: [wlug] How many would be interested in a newbie class.
by Roderick Aldridge 04 Aug '03

04 Aug '03

On 3 Aug 2003 at 19:05, sable drum wrote: <snip> and i would dearly love to do this in raglan. have huge lounge in my house which can cope wth a number of machines and people -- scene is fine out here. we could make a solid morning of it with great coffee etc. and i can rustle together a few more newbies, easy....raglan is an easy commute. c'mon fellas, you can even head out to the sea afterwards.... does that help any?? <snip> I am happy to come to wherever the people are who want to learn, but we would have to make sure the Hamilton ones don't miss out. Roderick

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