July 2003 - wlug - list.wlug.org.nz

Re: [wlug] The LUG is a beast of many backs
by Gavin Denby 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

Yes but if after a few nights of playing your adrenaline level is not raised, then you just are not geek material. On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 04:54 PM, Alastair Porter wrote: > On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 16:39, Gavin Denby wrote: >> SO rather than comparing, Get a CD or set up linux on a drive, and >> spend a few evenings playing with stuff and finding out how to do >> something under Linux, But be warned its very addictive. > A few? > I spent probally 3 nights a week for the best part of a year and a bit > playing with linux just experimenting. > I didn't expect to know everything all at once, and by just learning > bit > by bit, i have built up quite a nice knowlede (AFAIC)

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RE: [wlug] Memory for weird things.
by Lindsay Druett 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

Well, up until now, I had been using Kingston RAM in Cisco devices, however, if the equipment is under warranty and/or under contract with Cisco directly, then there is a fundamental issue with using Kingston RAM which is not the case with using the RAM from these guys. These guys seem to be cheaper than purchasing Kingston RAM for Cisco devices from TP. That's also taking in account exchange rates, delivery, etc. Also with my experience with delivery, well, let's put it this way. If Federal Express opened business in New Zealand, then all the other couriers (CourierPost, NZ Couriers, etc, etc) would be out of business within no time. -----Original Message----- From: David Nicholls Sent: Thu 24/07/2003 9:16 a.m. To: wlug Cc: Subject: RE: [wlug] Memory for weird things. jeepers you guys, why not just order kingston ram? you can order equivalents for every system from dell to hp to whatever, and its cheaper. thats what the uni does. we just go to the kingston site and match system codes to get the right ram (i think its the us site so the price roughly doubles of course), then we order from NZ suppliers. theres bound to be someone around who is cheaper than our "oficial" supplier (tech pacific) that gets in kingston ram. cheers... david -----Original Message----- Oliver Jones wrote: > Howdy. Thought I'd let people know I've found and awesome supplier of > weird memory. I wanted to upgrade our HP 1300 from it's puny 16MB of > ram to 80MB. Basically so large OpenOffice docs print without barfing > half way through. Techpac are the suppliers of HP gear in NZ. Their > prices for ram upgrades on printers are stupidly high. Well you can get > 64MB upgrade for a 1300 from www.MemoryX.net <http://www.MemoryX.net> for 30 USD + ~ 30 USD for > FedEx express. It costs 10 times as much to buy the same ram from > Techpac. The goods arrived within a week of ordering in perfect condition. My printer could definitely use another 64MB of memory at that price. Does anyone who has a credit card want to put an order together and share the cost of shipping? -- Matthias _______________________________________________ wlug mailing list wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug <http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug> -- Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz <mailto:oliver(a)deeper.co.nz> § www.deeperdesign.com <http://www.deeperdesign.com> § +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] Configuring a firewall
by Craig Box 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

> I'm trying to set up a firewall to hopefully prevent being hacked again. > Since the machine is a dialup (until DSL comes to Hikutaia) I figure > that it's got to be pretty straightforward. > > The machine is also a workstation and file/print/mail/dnscache etc > server for my home office network of itself plus 2 or 3 other machines. > > The whole issue of what firewall software to use seems a bit confusing, > but I think I've figured out that ipmasq does what I need. I've > installed it and read the debian ipmasq users manual but I'm not sure > what to do next. According to the manual I configure it using > dpkg-reconfigure. I've done that and selected the ppp option. If I were you, I'd start by reading http://www.wlug.org.nz/HowFirewallingWorks, I'd skim-read about how Perry's firewalling script works (at http://www.wlug.org.nz/PerrysFirewallingScript) and then I would install the .deb, which I'd find at http://www.wlug.org.nz/archive/debian/linuxserver-firewall_0.3_all.deb. (hint: wget the file, then dpkg -i) Then, you need to go into /etc/linuxserver-firewall/interfaces.d, check the mapping between interfaces and classes (which you learnt about in your skim-read), edit the files as required and type '/etc/init.d/linuxserver-firewall restart' And then you're done, and you did some good learning along the way too. ;) Future versions of the Debian package will do automatic guessing of interfaces and network addresses. Someday. This message bought to you by "When in doubt, ask the Wiki" Craig

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Re: [wlug] Configuring a firewall
by Gavin Denby 24 Jul '03

24 Jul '03

Glen I sent you a long text off list, Hope it helps Covers IP routing and stuff, You probably only need the last bit, but ut was easier to send it all to you. Good luck I cheated, got a 486, installed IPCOP firewall, web configured and very nice, My router also has a firewall, so I'm now behind 2 of them On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 07:43 PM, Glenn Ramsey wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to set up a firewall to hopefully prevent being hacked > again. Since the machine is a dialup (until DSL comes to Hikutaia) I > figure that it's got to be pretty straightforward. > > The machine is also a workstation and file/print/mail/dnscache etc > server for my home office network of itself plus 2 or 3 other > machines. > > The whole issue of what firewall software to use seems a bit > confusing, but I think I've figured out that ipmasq does what I need. > I've installed it and read the debian ipmasq users manual but I'm not > sure what to do next. According to the manual I configure it using > dpkg-reconfigure. I've done that and selected the ppp option. > > What next? The manual doesn't say any more, does that mean that it's > automatically configured? Do I need to learn the details of iptables > so I can confirm that it is correct or is there an easier way? > Currently I don't really have the time to do that so if the answer to > the last question is yes then can you guys suggest someone who I could > pay to do it? > > Thanks > g > > -- > Glenn Ramsey <glenn(a)componic.co.nz> 07 8627077 > http://www.componic.co.nz > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Memory for weird things.
by Oliver Jones 21 Jul '03

21 Jul '03

Howdy. Thought I'd let people know I've found and awesome supplier of weird memory. I wanted to upgrade our HP 1300 from it's puny 16MB of ram to 80MB. Basically so large OpenOffice docs print without barfing half way through. Techpac are the suppliers of HP gear in NZ. Their prices for ram upgrades on printers are stupidly high. Well you can get 64MB upgrade for a 1300 from www.MemoryX.net for 30 USD + ~ 30 USD for FedEx express. It costs 10 times as much to buy the same ram from Techpac. The goods arrived within a week of ordering in perfect condition. Regards -- Oliver Jones § Senior Software Engineer § Deeper Design Limited. oliver(a)deeper.co.nz § www.deeperdesign.com § +64 (21) 41-2238

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Re: [wlug] telephone and linux
by Gavin Denby 20 Jul '03

20 Jul '03

For some reason when I type vcopsystems.com, my mozilla browser corrects my obvious mistake to www.vcopsystems.com and it fails, even when it folow the link it works in that i see the page, but the address bar shows the www, which is wrong, thus my cut and paste was wrong link, in short annoying, Galeon does the same, so its probably an error in the core, must be time to upgrade it. All the rest of my mozilla installs work fine. its just that machine, its also the first time I've noticed it. On 19 Jul 2003 23:03:19 +1200 zcat <zcat(a)themall.co.nz> wrote: > > http://vcopsystem.com > > > > But I can get it if i Type it in too, Weird. > > try vocpsystem.com > > Strangely, that's the first hit when you search for vcop too. go > figure.. > > > _______________________________________________ > wlug mailing list > wlug(a)list.waikato.ac.nz > http://list.waikato.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

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Re: Is linux better or not? Was: Re: [wlug] victory for linux in munich!
by Daniel Lawson 16 Jul '03

16 Jul '03

> > >If you define a metric, it's easy to say "Foo is better than bar". > > Yes. But you have to be careful that you are actually comparing on the metric, and not on your interpretation of the metric, or on the metric but influenced by some hidden factor (ie Mindcraft or whoever they were benchmarks) >Back to the point of the metric, the page was designed to say "This program, >if you use X on Windows, will do it on Linux." And the short answer is that >it won't. You will find that it does some things better (might be more >stable, might have more functions), but it does some things worse. Or >everything differently. > > We have no idea what they want to use it for on Windows though. For you to make the statement on the wiki, along the lines of 'All this linux sofware is at a basic equivalence level with its Windows partner' is completely missing the point, that you actually have no idea what people want to do with it or not. Moreover, the statement as it stands is highly likely to put anyone off using the alternatives - they are only a basic equivalent after all.[1] One example here. Gnumeric is a very polished replacement for Excel. It supports all the Excel spreadsheet functions, and a whole lot more. It doesn't have VBA, but I'm to understand that it supports perl/python/tcl scripting instead. It has a graph builder, advanced mathematical support, solver support, etc etc, and can even read / write Excel95/97/2k etc files. This is completely irrelevant if the user wants to build a basic spreadsheet with a few SUM and AVERAGE functions thrown in, and some formatting. Its completely irrelevant if the user is actually, due to its nice column layout structure, using it to generate a template for school reports. I have no idea what the user wants to use it for, and therefore I can only suggest that it might do the job. Likewise: VS is perhaps the de facto IDE under windows. Thats nice. It's entirely possible you'd be able to code just as well, if not better, under vim, or emacs, or joe, with another xterm open and use of make / gdb and cvs. It is perhaps worth noting that joe isn't as feature-full as VS (in fact, its just a text editor), but that is rather different from implying that there is no way to do the things you do in VS, under linux. >If your concern is "Linux Acts Just Like Windows Does" then Windows scores >100% and Linux scores in the lower half of the spectrum. That was the point >I was trying to make. Linux's goal isn't to OSS Windows (interestingly, > > If you meant this, you said it very badly. As what you had said sounded more like "Nothing under Linux does as good a job as the Windows version", which is a very broad reaching statement, and I might add, highly subjective based on your view of what people actually want to do with a program under Windows or Linux. It *is* fair to say that there are differences in the program, and that while Openoffice.Org Writer or Abiword might, at first blush, be an adequate replacement for MS Word, but lack some features that *some* people *might* want, but that wasn't what you were saying. While we're on the discussion of that wiki page, it was asking for what people use instead of a program under Windows. I dont use Windows. So instead of using MS Word, I use Abiword. It doesn't matter at all if its feature-equivalent to the MS Word. It's WHAT I USE UNDER LINUX. Likewise, I use gvim/gcc/make/cvs/gdb under Linux for development. It's *my* IDE. Highly subjective, of course, but the page was asking for individual responses. >there is a project that aims to do this, and they almost have NT4's cmd.exe >down pat). It will keep evolving whichever way it does. Linux doesn't have >the commercial app support (and it may never, and it may never matter). You >can't do everything you can do in Windows on it. But the price of freedom > > I dont see that 'you can't do everything you can do in Windows on it' is true. I *can* do everything that *I* do in Windows under linux. You can propose that 'Joe Windows User' would say otherwise if you like, but until we actually have a good, objective, understanding of what 'Joe Windows User' actually does with his computer, then its all speculation, and as I pointed out before, highly subjective and based on our own view. As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing stopping people using linux as a desktop fulltime. You disagree. Who of us is right? Daniel (From his linux desktop, on which he does all his work, and all the stuff he would want to do in Windows) [1] IF you want to do real comparisons, then do a feature matrix. And do full comparisons, so list things that both equivalents do, or perhaps grade them if you think one is better. Phil's comparison of The Gimp to Photoshop is a good candidate here, as would a comparison bettween MS Office and Abiword, Gnumeric, Oo.O, Kword, etc etc.

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Re: [wlug] Poster
by S Swami 14 Jul '03

14 Jul '03

On Monday July 4:57pm, Daniel Appleton wrote: > hmm... > > HTTP Error > Status : 504 Gateway Time-Out > > Description : Unable to connect to origin Web server. > > Note : If necessary, please contact your Systems > Administrator for resolution. > > > --- Craig Box <craig(a)dubculture.co.nz> wrote: > Hi > everyone, > > > If you want a poster for the upcoming LUG meeting > > that you can print out and > > put up in suitable places, see > > http://ellusions.meta.net.nz/~crb/wlug.pdf > > > > Craig Works from KMail with "save link as". Sid.

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